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Pat, Some of us look at major match results, not post counts. That,s funny Dan! Keep up the good work!

This. I have seen a few of these but thats the way the cookie crumbles. Hit it good, knock it down, and if it doesnt take your lumps. It seems to me it happens more with guys using shorter barrels with little or no choke. I have always seen stage descriptions that specify "steel must fall". Whining isnt pretty. We have had as much of an issue with pistols too. Its a range equipment malfunction really. Pat Pistols/Shotguns Apples/Oranges Not sure how many times we shoot the same stage with each gun. Just take out the paper targets. Either way its a range equipment error and under USPSA rules it would be a re shoot. I understand thats a pain so I modified it the way I described with the RO calling it a hit and having the shooter move on. If the target can't be engaged and should have fell its a prop problem not a shooter one. Thats just my take on it. I like giving the benefit to the shooter. Not really into screwing them with what I consider an unfair penalty. Pat Personaly I dont like uspsa rules for 3 gun. But that is a different discussion. I dont really care if the ruling is if its turned its a hit. So long as I know going into the match and the rule is consistant. If you dont just say steel must fall then you possible get into a situatuion of "well, the steel is turned and I thought it was good" when the steel isnt a full 90 degrees but maybe 80 degrees. Then you get into a position where someone has to decide if its spun far enough or not. Then comes arbitration. Thats why I like to see it fall or not. Pretty clear cut and no room for argument. But if I show up at a match and I know what the rule is to start I just deal with it. I cant say its ever happened to me. Not picking on you Kent but a sideways plate will happen to you at some point even if you have taken the time to properly choke your gun, center the target but the plate turned sideways because the stand was not designed properly. You pay a big entry fee, pay to get there, pay for a motel, pay to eat, then are taken out of the match competitively because plates you have centered up do not fall when hit because the stands were not designed properly. It bothers me because it is easy to fix this problem. I don't get it that everyone seems to except this when there is a lot at stake. Most places I shoot it is a 10 sec penalty to leave a plate standing. One or two of them and you are out of it!! Shooting at the stand does not always work and why should you have to do that anyway? That is not fair to any shooter who has paid thrir dues to enter this match

Both of my "DPMS PIGS" shoot 1 moa out to 400 yds with 55 Noslers. I do not have a range to shoot any farther. Got them from Midway two years ago for $165 each. Don't get caught up in the "trend" for light weight barrels and AR's Way to wippy in my opinion. For starters the barrels shown are not a light weight design but rather medium contour barrels which are perfect for the game. The heavy barrels while they are accurate are way way to heavy to shoot fast and well on 99% of the stages we typically shoot in this sport. There are a lot more shots at 100 and in than at 400. Pat They might be to heavy for you but not for me. Different strokes for different folks. True but there is a reason most shooters especially the pro's are not lugging those heavy barrels around and their winning. I tried a heavy barrel for a time and found you give up way too much on the sort to medium course for the time you may gain on the long ones. That is your opinion and I have mine. That is what a forum is all about. Have a good day. After thinking about it, I have to disagree with you about long range stages not being as important as the 15 to 30 second hosers. In my experience with myself and watching others, I have watched lots of people take themselves out of competition by timing out on the long range stages with failure to engage and miss penalties. My opinon. I forgot to tell you. Great videos. Looks like you put on some fun matches! Have a good one.

Both of my "DPMS PIGS" shoot 1 moa out to 400 yds with 55 Noslers. I do not have a range to shoot any farther. Got them from Midway two years ago for $165 each. Don't get caught up in the "trend" for light weight barrels and AR's Way to wippy in my opinion. For starters the barrels shown are not a light weight design but rather medium contour barrels which are perfect for the game. The heavy barrels while they are accurate are way way to heavy to shoot fast and well on 99% of the stages we typically shoot in this sport. There are a lot more shots at 100 and in than at 400. Pat They might be to heavy for you but not for me. Different strokes for different folks. True but there is a reason most shooters especially the pro's are not lugging those heavy barrels around and their winning. I tried a heavy barrel for a time and found you give up way too much on the sort to medium course for the time you may gain on the long ones. That is your opinion and I have mine. That is what a forum is all about. Have a good day. After thinking about it, I have to disagree with you about long range stages not being as important as the 15 to 30 second hosers. In my experience with myself and watching others, I have watched lots of people take themselves out of competition by timing out on the long range stages with failure to engage and miss penalties. My opinon.

Both of my "DPMS PIGS" shoot 1 moa out to 400 yds with 55 Noslers. I do not have a range to shoot any farther. Got them from Midway two years ago for $165 each. Don't get caught up in the "trend" for light weight barrels and AR's Way to wippy in my opinion. For starters the barrels shown are not a light weight design but rather medium contour barrels which are perfect for the game. The heavy barrels while they are accurate are way way to heavy to shoot fast and well on 99% of the stages we typically shoot in this sport. There are a lot more shots at 100 and in than at 400. Pat They might be to heavy for you but not for me. Different strokes for different folks. True but there is a reason most shooters especially the pro's are not lugging those heavy barrels around and their winning. I tried a heavy barrel for a time and found you give up way too much on the sort to medium course for the time you may gain on the long ones. That is your opinion and I have mine. That is what a forum is all about. Have a good day.

Both of my "DPMS PIGS" shoot 1 moa out to 400 yds with 55 Noslers. I do not have a range to shoot any farther. Got them from Midway two years ago for $165 each. Don't get caught up in the "trend" for light weight barrels and AR's Way to wippy in my opinion. For starters the barrels shown are not a light weight design but rather medium contour barrels which are perfect for the game. The heavy barrels while they are accurate are way way to heavy to shoot fast and well on 99% of the stages we typically shoot in this sport. There are a lot more shots at 100 and in than at 400. Pat They might be to heavy for you but not for me. Different strokes for different folks.

Both of my "DPMS PIGS" shoot 1 moa out to 400 yds with 55 Noslers. I do not have a range to shoot any farther. Got them from Midway two years ago for $165 each. Don't get caught up in the "trend" for light weight barrels and AR's Way to wippy in my opinion.

Sorry my friend but that would be considered a supporting device. 5.3.4.3 Supporting devices (bipods, etc.) are prohibited. Now allow me to explain. That provides an extension on the forend to allow you to put your hand under it on the ground while shooting off hand prone. For this reason it would be considered a supporting device and not permitted in any division except open. You could leave it on the stowed position and not have an issue, it would be similar to the Magpul angled grip. However once deployed and used with your hand under it, then you would be moved to the open division. Hope that clears the air. Larry Yup.

Sorry my friend but that would be considered a supporting device. 5.3.4.3 Supporting devices (bipods, etc.) are prohibited. Now allow me to explain. That provides an extension on the forend to allow you to put your hand under it on the ground while shooting off hand prone. For this reason it would be considered a supporting device and not permitted in any division except open. You could leave it on the stowed position and not have an issue, it would be similar to the Magpul angled grip. However once deployed and used with your hand under it, then you would be moved to the open division. Hope that clears the air. Larry Dave, It looks like Larry is saying what you already know, and the rest of us will find out. "It sucks to get old." See you in W.V. my friend. Golden years my ass!!! Look forward to seeing you Dan.

Larry, I shoot tactical optics. I have a forward folding grip that I use on tables and prone position. It is not touching the table or the ground when I shoot. My hand is under it. I fold it to the up position when not in use. Can I use it in your match? Thanks

I can't believe you were surprised! I got curious about shooters declaring major in my division with guns that seemed to have way less recoil than mine. At first I thought that my gun was not set up properly. Nope. I started to pick up dropped mags and stripping rounds from them and then chronoing them later. Surprise surprise, none of them came close to major!! Some did not make minor!! I realize that my gun might chrono different from another gun but not that much. Most of these shooters go to big matches and surprise, they make major. I guess they carry their chrono bullets separate from the hoser stuff. I still do it from time to time. Same deal.

Also, unless it has changed, do not bring your AR or shotgun to NJ for a 3gun match. Shotguns cannot hold more than 5 rds even for locals. Non resident cannot bring a AR into the state. Ar mags cannot hold more than 15 rds. The mag cannot be modified to hold only 15, it has to be manufactured that way! To bad. They put on great 3gun matches! Correct me if this has changed Ben. Hope so, I would like to shoot there again.

Will you be posting diagrams for stages 10-12 or at those a suprise? Last year we ran some stages with only 2 but could have run 3 gun if we chose. It was a tactics issue. Last year we ran some stages with only 2 but could have run 3 gun if we chose. It was a tactics issue. You could have run the whole match without ever reloading the shotgun, if you wanted. DanO YES NO YES YES Please tell me where the registration will be. Match motel in Winchester? Match motel in Inwood? At the match? The day before? Thanks

Where will registration be? Hampton in Winchester? Hampton in Inwood? At the range? Banquet this year? Where? Stages look great!! Thanks

I was disappointed you did not give your side match win money back to the wounded warriors. After all, that is what it was about. To get money for them!

Dean, will there be supplied water at the stages?

Dean, Will the range be open Friday to check out the stages?

Does it have the auto load feature? If it does, adding a tube changes the timing and can cause malfunctions. Very little work will make it reliable again. I run a Browning Gold with the auto load and it is a sweet gun to shoot!

Thanks for the information.

What is more popular for 3gun, Super Nova or regular pump and why. Thanks

I agree, this was a really good match. I have been to the past couple they have held and they keep getting better! By far, the best one yet! RO's were great!

100% correct! Accuracy is most affected by the back of the bullet and the crown on the barrel. Look at Sierra H.P. match 69's. A known great bullet. The H.P.'s are irregular but the boatail is perfect!

300 yard skinny sammys are just if not more likely and over some really beautiful natural terrain. I hope to see all of you at Peacemaker. Dean, For real. How far are we shooting and at what in Virginia? Be kind!

Jesse, Did you ever get around to comparing the "new" Miller comp to a SJC?

Kind of a funny story? Friend of mine had just taken his RO certification course and was anxious to RO. I usually run the squad but told him to go ahead. At the beep, his very first shooter draws and fires a shot through his pants above the knee, travels down his pant leg and comes out alongside his foot! Never touched his leg! When the initial shock was over, my friend turned to me and said, "that's a DQ isn't it"!!