dmshozer1

Yeah, but it's not just about running. At some point you need to be able to hit a slug target. Not just run an Xrail dry. Ok dude. I am ready for the throw down. I can unload the chamber of my xrail M2 and insert slugs or buck at will and feed the tube so the next on or two or three are as well. Explain to the boys and girls how you do that with the shotgun from the evil empire. Charles, Sorry,I did not realize you were talking about a Xrail. I thought you were manual loading. It would re a great throw down!

Yeah, but it's not just about running. At some point you need to be able to hit a slug target. Not just run an Xrail dry. Ok dude. I am ready for the throw down. I can unload the chamber of my xrail M2 and insert slugs or buck at will and feed the tube so the next on or two or three are as well. Explain to the boys and girls how you do that with the shotgun from the evil empire. That is true but that might be the only stage that requires the mix of shells. The rest of the match, unless you can load eight in 5 sec. or less, you will be playing catch up.

Thanks for understanding my point of view. Have a good one. Take care

.You need to get your finger along side the frame of your gun so a RO can tell from any position if your finger is on the trigger or not. RO,s cannot always be in the right place to see if your finger is actually on the trigger. I would have stopped you and DQed you for sure! dmshozer1, (you will have to view photos at photbucke as i states I've added too ,an I can fully respect your opinion and decision in the above stated comment that all RO's cannot be in the right place, therefore becomes a judgment call. I too am a Certified Military RO. However, I do communicate with the stage RO of my grip due to the fact that I lost my strong hand ring finger this summer amd meed ,u trigger finger for the exta grip on the firearm. [/img] It is hard to tell, but from second :28 to :36 is the timeline in question. In the following Picture (ACC 01) I have my trigger finger wrapped around the front of the trigger guard. I can see your concern in the below picture as it does to appear that my finger is in the trigger yet again forwardof the trigger again. This image will clearly show that my trigger finger is on the frame during reload. Picture 4 as well shows trigger finger is clearly on the frame prior to re-engagement. Picture 5, During re-engaging the targes my trigger finger is clearly inserted onto the trigger. This photo I will side with you this photo, as during the failure to feed issue it is clear that I failed to remove my finger from the trigger. Touche' Thanks for the feedback!!

.You need to get your finger along side the frame of your gun so a RO can tell from any position if your finger is on the trigger or not. RO,s cannot always be in the right place to see if your finger is actually on the trigger. I would have stopped you and DQed you for sure!

Look forward to them. Take care

Sounds good to me Jessie. How is the ankle? I miss your videos. I live in the Northeast so I am not able to shoot many big 3gun matches so the videos are my window to the big ones. Thanks everyone for the advice.

What do you do when you only want to load two or maybe five shells from a four shell belt caddy?

Dean' How about shoot one popper, load eight, shoot one popper for the side match? It would prove to the sagia guys why they should not be in tactical!

Thanks 19, I have a Benny Hill "roling thunder" so on low ports I know what it feels like to eat dirt!

Nice videos! May I ask what comp. you are using? Your gun does not seem to move at all. Thanks

Results attached are a shotgun only match from this weekend. Each Stage was around 20 rounds required. There were some areas with a lot of standing reloads required. All of our open shooters (except for Kelly who was stuffing his tube by hand) were using Saiga-12s. Saigas required a dedicated educated user to learn the quirks of their particular gun, and stay on top of preventative maintenance more than any other shotgun I've ever used. You also do need to practice reloading A LOT or you're going to mess it up. You're also assuming all Saiga shooters want to dump a couple grand into what should be a $400 gun. I'm never going to put more than $500 into one after shooting one to death in less than 10,000 rounds. Like most combloc guns they are made to be disposable. Rifleman, Watched the video of the match on another thread. Great match! Being from upper N.Y. State,I only get out that way when I shoot Mystery Mountain every couple of years. From what I have personally seen, the only Saiga's that run are the ones that have been sent away and cost a bunch. The shooters that have them do not seem to have put the time into the game. By the way they shoot some stages it is obvious that they are depending on equipment more than stage thought. Not all, but most of the ones I have seen. I think stage design has a lot to do with how much advantage a Saiga has over a tube loader. Even when a non tricked out Saiga that is malfunctioning and is in the hands of a so so shooter, their time on a high round count stage is better than mine. They are in open so it does not effect me but it would if they are put in tactical with me. Put a running Saiga in the hands of a experienced shooter, shooting against a equally experienced tube shooter and I would bet the Saiga would trash the tube guy I will admit that shooting a running Saiga has got to be a blast!! Maybe someday.

I hope the rules keep the playing field level as far as equipment goes. Then let the boys and girls fight it out on equal ground. Money should not be the difference between who has the advantage in our game. But, I realize that it can and does make a difference.

I'm an above average tube loader.Takes me eight to ten seconds to reload eight rds. That is after a lot of practice.I am faster than most people I shoot against. At big matches, I hold my own. Everyone knows that reloading is everything in a shotgun stage. How the hell can I compete with a Saiga shooter that can with very little practice load eight rds. in two seconds. Even the big boys take six or seven seconds to load eight. That is a difference of four or five seconds each reload!

Dean, Are you going to use that nasty low port where the gun has to be on its side to clear it? If you are, may I suggest you put a rug or something down so the comp. does not blast dirt and stones in your face. Saw some shooters last year that if not for glasses, they could have done damage to there eyes. Thanks

Dean, Matt and anyone else who helped put the match on,nice job!! Looking forward to the rifle match. Make sure the weather is as nice as yesterday.

Nice job Dean, Matt and anyone else who helped set up the match. Looking forward to the rifle match! Make sure you order up the same weather we had yesterday! See ya.

Dean, DO IT!!!

I know Pro2,I meant a 3gun match every month even knowing that it would be lead to major staff burn out!! Been there, done that! Take care

Dean, What can I say but that you put on another fun match. You and your staff deserve a ton of credit!! I think you should have a match every month! The best to you!

Sorry,meant no disconnector.

I don't like the idea of having to fix a expensive new gun! The gun did not have a extractor? What kind of quality control is that? Answer, lousy!

Graham, Looks like you had fun and learned some things. But, I would have shot my own gun regardless if was suited to the course or not to see what I could do with it. My equipment is similar to yours. Take care

Any time you see this many penalties in a match, you know that something is wrong! Stages had WAY too many gray area cover calls. There is NEVER any consistency in stages with iffy cover calls.This has been a IDPA problem from day one but can and should be avoided in a big match with good stage design. Stages were designed so everybody did the same thing.There was no thought process except to try not to get cover calls. Chrono was a joke!!! In order to be consistent they MUST have artificial light and in a box. The gun MUST be shot from a gun rest so the bullet passes over the sensors in the exact same spot every time!!! At this match,the chrono was just hanging out there in the changing environment, the gun being fired standing from behind, going who knows where through the sensors. The perfect way to have inconsistent readings. I feel sorry for the people who DQ'd at the chrono. We will never know if they really made it or not! I would think anyone entering a big match would make sure their ammo was making the power factor, at least that is what I do. Because the SO would not activate the double swinger on stage one, the first shooter had no idea what to expect. The rest of the squad, mostly CDP, knew that the swinger first appeared with both targets together so they fired their last five shots getting shoot thou's on both targets.They needed three scoring hits on each. Saved a reload and did not get a penalty for only firing five shots. Afternoon shooters were not to watch people shooting stages. If they did, they would receive penalties.I saw people in fancy shirts watching most of the stages. Especially the double swinger! No penalties! Just my thoughts.

Went to a match where they had eight pp's at 300 yds. Behind them were eight us pp's. You were forced to knock down the front eight then make the decision to knock down the rear eight or just engage them. 16 failures and misses were to much to do the shoot and scoot!