Chuck Anderson

If memory serves the last scheduled shots are around 2 on Sunday. Doesn't include awards or shoot offs. You can always email the MD Ken. He's normally very responsive. Ken@kennelson.com.

Hang tight for a bit on the lynching. It's being resolved. Just waiting on the moderators to give me approval to post details.

That's a ported barrel with a vent rib. Two separate features. Vent rib is fine, ported is open only.

Lets see, 12 stages in the main match, but there were two side matches in between there. Did he use it on the Remington or the Beretta side match? Or is Hollywood trying to stir the pot again?

When a shooter comes up and he in a division called "Limited" anything in USPSA, I know for a fact he cannot have an optic of any kind on any firearm. I would hope that a NROI trained RO would know that too. Not quite, in multi gun the limited class shooters use a 1X optic or iron sights. It is a fairly new rule change with the new rule book. As opposed to the limited heavy metal shooters that must use iron's. This is probably what caused the confusion with the shooter. Not exactly new. I think this is the third or fourth MG Nats we've run with Limited having 1x optics allowed. I know Charles Bond was still on the BOD when the decision was made. But I'm sure Ward will find a way to blame the BOD for it. I'm sure we must be on the take from EO Tech or something. He does know "for a fact he cannot have an optic of any kind on any firearm"

But that was not a multigun match. You can't do a first stage check at a multigun because you don't use all your gear on every stage. Someone who started on stage 1 would have their pistol, rifle and shotgun. Someone who started on Stage 7 would have their rifle and shotgun, someone on stage 3 would have their pistol and rifle. And it still wouldn't fix the problem in this case which was RO's who didn't recognize equipment that didn't meet division standards. To be on point here, he ran through your stage Doug, with a rifle that didn't meet the division rules. I'm sure as CRO you reviewed the rules prior to the match but didn't catch it. It sucks but I don't know if the best thing is to change the rules because one guy got through with equipment he shouldn't have. There are three groups that should be checking competitor equipment on every stage. Not just once a match but every time someone comes to the line. Just like we do in every other match. The competitor, the other competitors and staff. The competitor should be familiar with the rule book enough to know his gear is legit. The other competitors should be keeping an eye out. Not just for the gotcha but to try and get something resolved prior to having to bump someone. I've told guys on my squad several times on an unloaded gun start stage to make sure they only had 10 rounds in the mag. Or walked someone to a safe area to move sneaky and evil illegal grip tape. And finally the match officials should be checking as well. Every stage though. An equipment check on stage 1 doesn't work if by stage 8 the guy is using a 155mm mag and nobody looks.

I don't see anywhere in this post that anybody admitted to using equipment that was/ is illegal in the division he shot. If that was the case and he self reported later, collected his award and went to the prize table, all I see in this post is someone rubbing our noses in it. I've drawn my own conclusions and everybody else can also. Marty A-7424 I hope the conclusion you drew was that Latech is completely full of it and not the subject of this thread. Completely a different person we are talking about. He's just being (trying to be?) funny.

Sorry, but this is not true. There was no rule change that affected 1x or red dots in HML. It's never been legal. There was no change. This is not an excuse. Might have been in a different sport, but not USPSA.

Lots of staff witnessed it. Just a question of if they actually figured out what they were seeing.

Jesse, did that change? I thought originally Semi and Divisional didn't mix. I also don't remember the top five being in the qualifier match. But I haven't read them several months.

I was sitting at the table, in between Linda and Jay when the situation was brought to our attention. It wasn't just a Jay decision. As for the guy who brought up the 3GN change. There is a huge difference. That was addressed at the time it occurred. During that event, not hours after. It just took 3GN a few days to make it right. Which rules that we have in place should we overlook? There is no good answer here. There is no simple fix. In order to yank the title we have to violate the rule of when the match is finalized. As another example. A shooter was credited with a double on his last stage. Another competitor took a photo of that. Should we have an RM review it a week later and say it was an FTN? That would change another National Title just like this one. I'm not trying to say we did right here. I'm pissed. But there is only one person can make this right now. On the subject of equipment checks. I'm not a fan. Particularly for multigun. I've never seen it done at any multigun match. I have seen competitors bumped to other divisions but its always done by the ROs, maybe other competitors who see and report. I'm surprised he made it through 12 stages without getting called on it, I really am. I would have been curious the first time I saw a competitor with a pump gun and a rifle with a dot. Particularly one shooting as well as he did.

Well that's your opinion Mark, but I disagree. 6.3.1 is the process by which another competitor could file a third party arbitration. They were well past the time to do so. 8.8.3 would have covered when the other competitors reported it to the RM. By the time the RM was notified the competitor had already packed his gear and it was not visible. Do you expect competitors to present their equipment for inspection after the match is completed, and if so, for how long? 60 minutes, 2 hours, 3 days? You know as well as I do that the results are considered final one hour after the final posting. If you think something is missing from the new MG rule book, please just state it instead of trying to play games.

6.3.1 Time Limit for Arbitration Request – Written requests for arbitration must be submitted to the Range Master within one hour of the disputed incident or occurrence. Failure to present the required documentation within the time specified will render the request invalid and no further action will be taken. 8.8.3 If a competitor detects an error in the provisional results at the end of the match, they must file an appeal with the Stats Officer not later than 1 hour after the Final Results are posted. If the appeal is not filed within the time limit, the posted scores will stand and the appeal will be dismissed. Off the top of my head I'd say these two apply. I really, really don't like the actions of this competitor but there has been a pretty well established history that once the results are final they are final. No couple day later decision to give a competitor a FTDR or DQ. Not to say a competitor can't self impose a change. There really does have to be a limit of when the results are final. To use the example I've been using today. If a competitor competes with a magazine thinking it is legal in Limited all season and then goes to a major and finds out it's 142.5mm long we don't vacate any of the wins they had earlier in the year. Sure he gets bumped to open for that match, but everything else complete is complete. It's a real mess to do otherwise. I think it was an opportunity to display some great sportsmanship that was lost and really can't be earned again by that competitor. As to Denise's comment about it being legal for the last couple years. I'm still waiting on a copy of the previous rules but I really don't think it was. I could be wrong on this but my recollection (and Chris Endersby's since we bonked noggins on this earlier today) is that HML was always Iron sight only in USPSA. I very clearly remember leaving it that way when we allowed red dots in Limited to allow the true Iron Sight only guys a division all to their own. I could be wrong on this but I'm pretty sure USPSA HML has never allowed red dots.

Red dot on Heavy Metal Limited rifle.

I'm shipping it to the hotel and flying. Ticket to Vegas was only about 200. Would have been way more in gas.

Unfortunately seeing stage winning times are the only way I will be able to see how I did since all my scores seem to have been deleted from the program. Geez, you'd think I did something dumb like get myself DQ'd. Any chance at finding out what the stage winning times on Stage 10 and 11 were in Tac Optic?

You can do a pigtail but definitely not a rifle length gas system. You'd only have about 2.5 inches of barrel after the port. Even the 7.5 inch barrels which are a pain to tune right have 3.5. Even swapping to a mid length would not give you any benefit.

How long is the barrel? Most I've seen with carbine gas are 16" or shorter. That's not long enough for a rifle gas system. The port would have to be larger than usual because of the short dwell time past the port. You'd end up with all, and more, of the issues of a carbine system just at greater expense. The shortest rifle gas barrels I've seen are 17" and most are 18"+.

It doesn't matter how they try him, civilian or military court, or what they do to him. Not to the supporters of terrorism. They will see whatever happens as further justification of violence. The most fair trial and resolution won't matter. He'll either be a martyr or it will be a sign we are weak. And it will likely drag on into the next presidency, or at least the next election. I don't see this finishing in less than 3-4 years.

Yeah but it's nice to bring the right stuff. It's one thing if you can run home and get it. It's another if you're flying across country.

So what guns do I need to have rails for the lights to go on?

So looking at the match booklet. Are there two lowlight stages? Do we need to bring lights, or are they provided? Do we need to have the capability to mount them on guns? And if so, which guns.

No, it's trash.

I've never seen it with steel core but at least one match specifically bans that. I just shot some on steel on Friday. Several rounds (but not all) left some pretty significant craters in the steel.

Longest rifle target range?