1911vm Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I guess I was living under a rock and did not realize about the changes . I was actually told about it today. Meanwhile I signed up to shoot at indoor nationals. will the new rules be active by then ? my CCP gun is to tall for the new rules . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Effective date not announced that I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 Just heard from S&W indoor nationals They are going to be using new rules . I going shopping for a new gun tomorrow . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 1k in to a gun and I can't use it. Bull shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 can you use it in another division? guessing the answer is yes but it won't be as competitive as the full size guns in that division. i'm in the same boat, bought a 4" wilson 1911 commander for carry and idpa ccp (for practice) and it looks like i'll be competing instead against full size guns if i want to use it, not very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 I also got a 4in . I got it specifically for ccp. I have guns for the other division . Bull shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 So insted of buying a new gun. Can I just switch divisions? CCP is the only classifier I did this year. Can I shoot for example esp or ssp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Send it back to Wilson, and tell him that since he make this gun illegal for the division in which he advertised it as working, you want a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Contact an SO and have them run a classifier for you. We do it here all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, Thomas H said: Send it back to Wilson, and tell him that since he make this gun illegal for the division in which he advertised it as working, you want a refund. Amen on that . if mine was a Wilson I would definitely be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 27 minutes ago, Thomas H said: Send it back to Wilson, and tell him that since he make this gun illegal for the division in which he advertised it as working, you want a refund. Amen on that . if mine was a Wilson I would definitely be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 That makes sense . I will contact a SO. but now next question didn't the classifier change also. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 3 hours ago, 1911vm said: Amen on that . if mine was a Wilson I would definitely be doing that. i actually copied wilson combat when i sent my nastygram to idpa, because mine is a wilson, of course they just replied back saying there was nothing they could do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 I would still consider trying to return it . It simply does not function as described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 You know Bill isn't running IDPA anymore, right? Joyce got it in the divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 he sure didn't abandon their child though. he has frequent visitation and a say in how it's being raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Looks like she got ownership of IDPA the business, but he is still on the BoD. Understand, folks, nothing has changed, there are the DRAFT rules and the comments on the comments by Bill and others that indicate some revisions to the draft. Assuming the memo I helped circulate is not just an elaborate hoax. The no-kneel classifer is not yet official. If the Indoor is planning to use new rules in February, either they have an inside track on the publication date, or they are betting on the publication date and taking the chance of running on draft rules which would make it an outlaw shoot. Are there enough of those full length butt - 4" barrel 1911oids out there that it would pay a gunsmith to devise a CCP liposuction? Take a quarter inch off the butt and trim the magazine to fit The Small Box. Is altering a gun to fit a given Division permissible? Edited December 19, 2016 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 If all of the rules changes are not 100% official how can major matches are already using them? 2017 Smith & Wesson indoor Nationals which I would consider a major match is using new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, Jim Watson said: Are there enough of those full length butt - 4" barrel 1911oids out there that it would pay a gunsmith to devise a CCP liposuction? Take a quarter inch off the butt and trim the magazine to fit The Small Box. Is altering a gun to fit a given Division permissible? Had similar thoughts about an XD, only misses by being 1/8" too tall. If you could shorten the mag a smidge then working down the plastic grip should not be a big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 55 minutes ago, IHAVEGAS said: Had similar thoughts about an XD, only misses by being 1/8" too tall. If you could shorten the mag a smidge then working down the plastic grip should not be a big issue. This is in the same vein as shortening commander barrels to fit CCP version 2015. It was not in the list of allowable modifications and its doubtful that grip shortening will be in the list of allowable modifications version 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Yeah, they won't make it easy. Sell more guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 not to me they won't, no new guns just to fit in idpa divisions. frankly the 4" commander i bought was in .45 even though i bought it to run in ccp, so it wasn't the most competitive choice but i bought it with the thought of carry gun primarily and being able to test/train/play with it in ccp. using it in cdp i'll have a shorter sight radius and lighter gun but won't have the 9mm vs 45 caliber recoil disadvantage. so all is not lost but still it is just wrong and bad biz to tighten specs up after they've been released and out there for a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlincoln Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 yeah, my new (1 week before the rules revision) 4" Springfield 9mm CCP pistol just came back from warrantee repairs. It won't fit the new box so I signed up for ESP for the indoors. Not sure what I have that pistol for now. Maybe just a 1K safe queen/paperweight. All 4 of our previously BUG legal pistols are now CCP pistols, but not competitive against 4.3" barrels so they are out too. Total obsolescence cost for this household with the new rule changes will be around 5K. I'm not too thrilled if these rules get cast in stone and I'm surely not alone. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 23, 2016 Author Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) My problem is that the only classifier that I did this year is in CCP. I do not think I can switch to a different division. I am trying to get some one to just run one for me but no luck yet. Edited December 23, 2016 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robport Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 When you do have another classifier, ask that they use the score for all classes the gun will fit into. I usually classify with an SSP gun and apply it to ESP. When I classified for CCP (that gun is now too tall by 1/8 "), I had them use the time for SSP and ESP, since that gun also fit those classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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