ultimase Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 So I managed to get quite a bit of titegroup recently and will be switching from pb (titegroup meters soooo much better than pb). I'm reloading from rocky mountain reloading 124 grain plated round nose bullets with mixed headstamp brass. I'll be using S&B primers or Winchester as I have available. The one variable that's confusing me is the charge for titegroup. Hodgdonreloading's webpage notes a starting charge of 3.6 with a max charge of 4.1 grains. I usually do a sanity check online to ensure that this makes sense, maybe it should be the other way around really. On this forum I'm seeing anywhere from 3.8 which makes sense to 4.3 which sounds like it would be overcharged. I'll admit I'm more worried about this because titegroup is such a smaller charge and you could double charge fairly easily. And the powder has a reputation for being somewhat hot. I think I'm going to go ahead and load 50ish of 3.8 grain and then maybe 50ish of 4.0 grains and go from there. I'll be using these mostly in IDPA through a cz75 sp01. Any advice? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 You are on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taadski Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Yep, agreed. I load a 124 grain plated Berry's flat point at 1.065 over 4.0 grains of Titegroup and it yields 130 PF consistently out of my 4.25" barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kletus Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just for Sanity check reasons: In my G34 I got the following: Armscor 124 FMJ RN - 3.8 TG yielded 129 PF loaded to 1.142 OAL at 55 degrees F Berry 124 Gr Plated RN - 3.8 TG yielded 125.98 PF Same Armscor Load in my XDM 5.25 Yielded 130.9 PF. I think you are starting on the right track, but I would consider starting a little lower and working up just for safety reasons. What OAL are you going to use? Cz's are known to have tight chambers. Make sure it will plunk test and be careful of where you are in regards to OAL. If you are having to start really short then be careful. TG has been my most accurate powder so far. It meters great, but it would be REALLY easy to double charge one. Take your time and be careful when working up loads, because that is where it is easiest to make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Berrys 125 RN over 4.3 grs TiteGroup OAL at 1.130" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erttactics Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I have used 3.8 of TG with rocky mountains. Works fine and just made power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 That's the one thing I don't remember off hand, I think it was the recommended OAL which is 1.150, and it did pass the plunk test when I loaded pb. I've since ran about 100 rounds of the pb through the sp01 and since I've changed the recoil spring to 12 lbs I've not had an issue with it. I will have to remember to check the plunk test on the sp01 tonight when I get back. I worked with my lnl last night a bit to get it to drop 3.8 fairly consistently. 3.8 would be a nice sweet spot as a little less wouldn't hurt too badly and little more wouldn't be too bad either if the powder measure drifted slightly. Though like I mentioned titegroup seems to meter much better than the pb. 9x45, that's one of the loads that would scare me a bit since it's over the published max. Though if anything it's reassuring because it looks like there is a bit of a safety margin. Though I just realized that the OAL is a bit longer so the pressure would be less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taadski Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Berrys 125 RN over 4.3 grs TiteGroup OAL at 1.130" Does Berry's make a 125 grain bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 So I didn't get around to running the 3.8 grains of titegroup with sb primers and 124 grain plated round nose until yesterday. I didn't get a chance to put together the 4.0 grains as mentioned above. I friend had a chrono and we ran a few rounds through, and...3.8 grains fell short, only getting 940-960 fps out of them. Doing the math it looks like it'll take about 4.0 grains which is kinda scary as the published max is 4.1 grains. Though it does also mention that the fps with 4.1 grains is 1057 fps which would put me at 131 power factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachJ Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 So I didn't get around to running the 3.8 grains of titegroup with sb primers and 124 grain plated round nose until yesterday. I didn't get a chance to put together the 4.0 grains as mentioned above. I friend had a chrono and we ran a few rounds through, and...3.8 grains fell short, only getting 940-960 fps out of them. Doing the math it looks like it'll take about 4.0 grains which is kinda scary as the published max is 4.1 grains. Though it does also mention that the fps with 4.1 grains is 1057 fps which would put me at 131 power factor. If you take a look on the hodgdon site, look up the 125gr you'll see sierra fmjs which are 4.1-4.4 I think.I have some plated 124gr that I'm loading at 4.2gr since 4 has occasional problems with knocking down plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterclay Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I have used a lot of titegroup in my shadows, until I found WSF. I liked it a lot better. 4.2 wsf 124 bayou bullets 1.13 oal made 130 pf, buts that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) So I didn't get around to running the 3.8 grains of titegroup with sb primers and 124 grain plated round nose until yesterday. I didn't get a chance to put together the 4.0 grains as mentioned above. I friend had a chrono and we ran a few rounds through, and...3.8 grains fell short, only getting 940-960 fps out of them. Doing the math it looks like it'll take about 4.0 grains which is kinda scary as the published max is 4.1 grains. Though it does also mention that the fps with 4.1 grains is 1057 fps which would put me at 131 power factor. If you take a look on the hodgdon site, look up the 125gr you'll see sierra fmjs which are 4.1-4.4 I think.I have some plated 124gr that I'm loading at 4.2gr since 4 has occasional problems with knocking down plates. Interesting that one grain in bullet weight can get you so much more variance. I'm feeling a bit better in trying titegroup around 4.0 grains now. Edited April 20, 2016 by ultimase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I load Xtreme 124 grain Flat Points with 4.0 grains of Titegroup. The load is very accurate, shows no signs of high pressure and is a soft shooting load. I get a consistent PF of 130-131. These are loads I am using in IDPA and they work quiet well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Bam Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 124 gr Berry's FPHB 3.8gr Titegroup 1.06 OAL 1050 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 124 gr Berry's FPHB 3.8gr Titegroup 1.06 OAL 1050 fps That does bring up the point that I could reduce my oal and stick with the same powder charge, but 1.150 when I did my oal test appears to be the longest I can run on the cz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightFireJay Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'm pretty sure that your RMR plated are actually produced by X-treme Bullets, so that's as close as you will get to apples to apples on load data I think (comparing to those loading 124 gr X-Treme). My closest load is... - 130 gr Berry's plated - 3.7 gr Titegroup @ 1.150" - 1060 fps (138 pf) - M&P 40 Pro 5" with KKM 9mm conversion barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallz Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I'll be using these mostly in IDPA through a cz75 sp01. Any advice? Thanks in advance. Using TG right around the 4.0g @ 1.125 made PF in SP-01 Less in the M&P and G34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rev1911 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 3.9-4.0 grains of TG under a RMR 124gr RN at 1.135 OAL is an excellent load for me. I'm pretty sure that your RMR plated are actually produced by X-treme Bullets, so that's as close as you will get to apples to apples on load data I think (comparing to those loading 124 gr X-Treme). The owner of RMR is active over on the highroad forum, and he has been clear that they aren't made by xtreme. The RMR plating is much thicker. That said, I'm sure the load data is virtually the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckham Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Below is my 124 Berry / TightGroup load for my CZ Shadow:124 Berry HBRN4.0 gun of TiteGroup1.13 oal3.77 crimp1080 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 124 Berry / TightGroup load chrono'd through my CZ AccuShadow:124 gr Berry's3.7 gr TiteGroup1.10 oal.377-.378 crimp1030 fps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Wow thanks for all the load recipes. It looks like I'll be trying 4.0 grains of titegroup 1.15 oal with the 124 grain plated bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyWifeShootsBetter Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Currently I load to make the wife's CZ p07 happy, it's lands and grooves are very close to the case mouth in the chamber, my CZ p01 is more forgiving on OAL but not much. Same load runs very well in a S&W 5904 and a SW9VE, also a Beretta Nano. 9mm Mixed head stamps our brass and range brass. RMR 124gr, FP, plated 3.9 gr of Titegroup OAL=1.080 FPS_AVG=1055 Your mileage may very Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullets Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 3.8 titegroup, 124gr xtreme, 1.135, federal spp, and mixed brass. 86 degrees was a 128pf. Sd 10.1. That was out of a shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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