Nick Weidhaas Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Since I last posted inquiring about the 952, I started to think that a STI 5.0 Eagle, 9mm (w/bushing) might be the best 1911 type design choice for ESP. I expect reloads may be faster than with a single stack (tapered mag into big mag-well). More money than a Kimber or S&W 952 though. Glock 34 or 17 is same concept, but they don't point well for me. Anyone shooting one of these 9mm STI 5.0 Eagles in ESP? Feedback? Thanks, Nick- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Check with Matt Burkett..I believe he shoots an SV cross competitor for IDPA..I saw one and it is pretty nice.. www.mattburkett.com there is a photo there under his listings of guns he uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I am using an STI bushing gun in 38 Super. Its the widebody grip with the singlestack mag inserts. Works like a charm. And if I want to shoot high caps I can just swap out grips. Once this barrel, a Schuemann AET, is shot out I am going to replace it with a 9x19 Kart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Saw Tom's gun last weekend..it is pretty cool.. I am gathering the parts to build up a 9mm..I got my STI frame, barrel, sights, trigger group. just trying to save up for the slide now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I know several guys that shoot S*I 9mm double stacks in ESP. I've shot Matt Burkett's gun and handled a few others. I liked the idea enough to place an order for an SVI Cross Competitor in 9mm. Hopefully it won't be too much longer until it's ready. The key seems to be getting the magazines tuned to run and lock the slide back every time. As well as loading the ammo appropriately for a precision machine. Most IPSC guys already know how to feed a S*I, but many IDPA folks are more used to Glocks and Berettas that are a lot more forgiving. There are a couple guys on this board with S*I 9mm's. Hopefully they'll see the thread. Also I posted a similar thread several months ago. Try a search for my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Tom Freeman: Why change to 9x19 from .38 super? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkbrd Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 Have you priced 38 super brass, thats what kept me out of open$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I got my 9x19 in the Trojan. The $$ kept me from the Eagle. I started out in CDP and use a Trojan .45 so I figured the Trojan 9mm would work with all my equipment. I plan on shooting two guns in some matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 I have a ton of .38 super brass. Maybe its time to sell some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Why not use a .40 STI? By just having a second recoil spring and bigger magwell, you can double it as an L10 gun. Get a couple high caps and you also can compete in Limited. Honestly speaking, I wish my STI's weren't Long Wide dust covers, 'cause I'd be usin' them in IDPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Freeman Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Tom Freeman: Why change to 9x19 from .38 super? Way cheaper brass. Loaded long its just like super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 Bucky - I'll send you a new Trogan for one of those nasty ole LongWides... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 I have found the .38 super to be much better in the accuracy department than 9mm. This is using the same bullets and almost the same powder charges in both. Both guns 1911's with hard fit barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 MerlinD, Throw in a couple Elite IIs and you have a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Use caution with 9mm in an STI magazine. The internal geometry is slightly different than the SVI and I have had serious problems with reliability. The SVI tube is a much better choice whichever gun you go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I have one of the Burkett Cross comp guns. I have not regretted the expense what so ever. I started shooting IDPA in Feb of this year with a G17. After shooting a SVI a couple of times, I knew I had to have one. It took a while to catch up with the speed of the pistol when I first started shooting it. I would call Matt and talk to him on a regular basis to pick his brain. Matt is a first class guy who doesnt mind talking to new guys. I won first place ESP/MM at the nationals with my SV and got bumped up to SS. I have been consistanly beating other SS and EX shooters at local matches with an occasional MA thrown in. The only thing better than having one SV, is having two. I just bought a Limited .40 to start shooting USPSA matches. I look forward to higher round counts and avoiding the dreaded FTDR. Sandy,Tami, and Len great to deal with at Infinity. Get one and dont look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted November 22, 2003 Author Share Posted November 22, 2003 I'm starting to think that a S_I in .38 super may be better for ESP. Longer bullet eliminates problem that 9mm mags have and can be handloaded with great results. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choltmeier Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Why not an STI in .40, then get a 38 super barrel and mags? Benny Hill said something about this in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I think I would build it in .38 Super Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Why not an STI in .40, then get a 38 super barrel and mags? Benny Hill said something about this in another thread Why not just get a .40 and skip the .38 super barrel? With the right load, you can get a 135pf .40 to be just as light as a .38super, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted November 29, 2003 Author Share Posted November 29, 2003 I've decided to go with an SV Infinity .40cal and get the replacable breechface so I can change to .38super. This will give me two guns in one for IDPA ESP and USPSA Limited. Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Nick, You'll also need to get mags and a barrel. If you reload, try the following before making the investment in 38 super conversion: Load 180 grain bullets with 3.2 grains of Clays at whatever your SV length is (I use 1.180. Put in a 9 pound recoil spring. Go shoot it. You may be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraut Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 Interesting! You guys carrying full size STi´s and blow them up to 135pf! Great shitski, that must have been the ideas of chairman Jeff when starting IPSC in mid 70s, didn´t it? Regards, Kraut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonK Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 These are quasi-averages of the data published by Remington on their website. The calibers are averages of the various bullet weights excluding high pressure rounds (+P). The format is Caliber, Barrel length, Power factor. 38spl 4" - 110 9mm 4" - 135 38SA 4" - 150 357Sig 4" - 168 40S&W 4" - 180 45ACP 5" - 190 10mm 5" - 200 So my question is, how would you group the calibers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted December 6, 2003 Author Share Posted December 6, 2003 Bucky, Thanks, I'll give your .40 recipe a try. JasonK, not sure what you're looking for with your question regarding grouping? I'm not a big power factor fan as I put a lot more into shot placement than pf. All calibers come in at their own pf and it is up to the individual to decide what suits him/her. I'm getting a gun her for a game. I'm just trying to match the best equipment to the game I'm shooting. IDPA Enhanced Service Pistol division requires a 125pf minimum. So a 130pf is where to be if your interested in keeping recoil and muzzle flip down. If you are not interested about the competition side of IDPA and just want to get some quality trigger time with your carry gun, what pf your ammo is doesn't really matter. Kraut, you lost me. Sorry. Nick- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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