20nickels Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) Came across this on Magma engineerings website; http://www.magmaengineering.com/products-m...;category_id=12 230 grain .357 I know some of you pinshooters use 230 grainers, but this is the first full wadcutter I've seen that size. Just curious if anybody uses these and what does load data look like with pressure building very quickly I'm sure. Lotsa bearing surface. Edited April 29, 2009 by 20nickels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Looks a lot like the ole' Butte bullet......I think the staple load was in a 38 special case, 6.7gr of Bluedot on top of a federal small pistol primer with a healthy crimp. Then hang on....best Revo pin bullet ......only thing bad about it was the smoke during the 4th and 5th pin......lol Load them up to 195PF or higher and the Pins will reliably fly.....and that is from Ken Tapp, who did know a thing or two about shooting pins..... DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 That's actually the R&R version, not the Butte version. I think GAT Bullets still makes the Butte version. We went all the way to 7.8 grains of Blue Dot with the Buttes, loaded in mixed .38 Spl. brass, in our N-frames (with them crimped roughly halfway down the bullet length). From an 8-3/8" barrel, that load will hit 1050 fps. I still have an ammo can full of those loads in the basement (a lifetime supply, considering I only shoot one pin match per year) and they rock bowling pins better than anything else I've ever shot from a handgun. Period. But I would recommend working your way up slowly and watch carefully for pressure signs along the way. The only other powder that I found to work with the "Lincoln Logs" was Unique, but I can't remember any loading data on that powder anymore, since we all pretty much settled on Blue Dot as the powder of choice for this bullet design. I actually own a 4-cavity mold for the original Butte version of this bullet. But it's been a long time since I've cast any up...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20nickels Posted April 29, 2009 Author Share Posted April 29, 2009 Is the Butte also a full wadcutter? I imagine from the business end it looks like you stuffed your cylinder with molten lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Yeah, it's essentially the same bullet design with the crimp and lube grooves located in different spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Using Blue Dot in .38 Special cases,I started with 6.8grs and quit at 7.2grs.I used both the R&R and Penn versions,crimped at the lower crimp groove.I was getting an even 900 fps at 7.2 out of a 6" 586 with good looking primers and easy extraction.I tried a couple of different powders,but Blue Dot is what you want with these.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I loaded some of those about six month's ago 38 spl case 6.3 gr BLUE DOT 5" gun what it does to a bowling pin is great--when you tell some of the guys you are going to shoot pins with a 38 spl.they give you the LOOK --talked to Carmoney --he had loaded them before they shoot good.I have about 300 left..good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357454 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I have a friend that casts these for me, when loaded in front of 6.8 grains of Blue Dot in a 38 special case they do a great job on bowling pins. This bullet have become a must have for our local pin shoot. A gamer such as myself uses them in an 8 shot 627 for a little extra insurance. The recoil is certainly manageable and I have heard of shooters using them in guns chambered for 38 special. I have never tested them for accuracy beyond 10 yards, at 10 yards they will group @ 1", certainly accurate enough for pins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigar Guy Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Some folks were also using either 4227 or 2400 with those bullets in .38 spl cases. As I recall, it was somewhere between 7.0-9.0 grains. With these, you really need to start low and work your way up. Do not try to shoot them in any K-frame. The bullets got really hard to find a few years ago when the only supplier closed up. I think a couple companies are making them again. Remember, hit the white part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Anybody have a source for the 38/230s? I need a bunch of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyinAZ Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 dont they start off as .451" and get swaged down?? =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 dont they start off as .451" and get swaged down??=) OK, Swage a thousand of them down for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Lyman 358627 also makes a dandy pin load. It's normally about 215-220 gr as cast. Of course Lyman discontinued it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Anybody have a source for the 38/230s? I need a bunch of them. GAT Bullets (Gary Thibodaux) 985.446.0093 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmax Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) I have approximately 3000 of these bullets. They were cast using an H&G mold, I believe the # 292 and sized .358. I got my Master Blaster at 2nd Chance shooting these in 91 in my L-Frames. The load was 7 gr of Blue Dot. They are reasonably accurate at 25 yards. Edited May 3, 2009 by jmax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwx40x40 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Penn Bullets also makes a heavy 215 or 230ish bullet . Their site states good results with AA powders. But I am not sure if it is AA#9 or AA#7 . Anybody have any idea what the exact load is that they are talking about? I believe it too is loaded in 38spl cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Penn Bullets also makes a heavy 215 or 230ish bullet . Their site states good results with AA powders. But I am not sure if it is AA#9 or AA#7 . Anybody have any idea what the exact load is that they are talking about? I believe it too is loaded in 38spl cases. Just try and buy some from Penn Bullets. I ordered some last October. Still waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeone Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Penn Bullets also makes a heavy 215 or 230ish bullet . Their site states good results with AA powders. But I am not sure if it is AA#9 or AA#7 . Anybody have any idea what the exact load is that they are talking about? I believe it too is loaded in 38spl cases. Just try and buy some from Penn Bullets. I ordered some last October. Still waiting. DITTO Ive been trying every few months for more than a year also, I think he has no interest in making this bullet. I wish he would take it off his site, very frustrating for me LOL. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Penn Bullets also makes a heavy 215 or 230ish bullet . Their site states good results with AA powders. But I am not sure if it is AA#9 or AA#7 . Anybody have any idea what the exact load is that they are talking about? I believe it too is loaded in 38spl cases. Just try and buy some from Penn Bullets. I ordered some last October. Still waiting. DITTO Ive been trying every few months for more than a year also, I think he has no interest in making this bullet. I wish he would take it off his site, very frustrating for me LOL. Mike Mike, I have maybe 2500 of these that have been siting under my bench for quite some time. Let me know if you're interested in them. I'm not sure who made them because it's been so long. I'll take a look and post the details. Are you shooting pins in the Denver area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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