edgerat Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 If you could easily get a Caspian big stick that would hold 30 and be reliable, I'd have thought long and hard about having a Caspian Open gun built. Jim Anglin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 If you could easily get a Caspian big stick that would hold 30 and be reliable, I'd have thought long and hard about having a Caspian Open gun built. Jim Anglin. I knew he was making big sticks, but didn't think they were up to 30 yet....interesting. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Just relooking at the grip. I would think dimension wise it should be nearly identical to the plastic one, since the magwells interchange. Since I like and use the Warren grip paper, this looks like the ideal surface to adhere to. There also appears to be enough meat on the trigger gaurd to be able to undercut it without breaking. I do see one of these in my future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Just relooking at the grip. I would think dimension wise it should be nearly identical to the plastic one, since the magwells interchange. Its a little bigger (esp. after adding grip tape), but more rounded in feel. Since I like and use the Warren grip paper, this looks like the ideal surface to adhere to. There also appears to be enough meat on the trigger gaurd to be able to undercut it without breaking. I do see one of these in my future. The TG is already undercut on the one I handled You could probably undercut it more, if you need to. Well, I should say, the first undercut is done. If you want it cut for your left hand, yeah... plenty of meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockton Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 My potential concern would be if undercutting voids the warranty? On a $100 plastic grip whos cares, but on a $400 grip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahtsay Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Does it use the standard mag release button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 As their website indicates. Everything in your polymer should fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZGunut Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I hope this doesn't sound like STI bashing but for me I would much rather buy the SVI part even for 20% more. I have always been impressed with SVI quality while STI while generally good can be hit or miss. Also would much rather but from the inovator rather than one who copies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 If you could easily get a Caspian big stick that would hold 30 and be reliable, I'd have thought long and hard about having a Caspian Open gun built. Jim Anglin. I knew he was making big sticks, but didn't think they were up to 30 yet....interesting. R, I don't know about his. Can't say one way or the other. I have mentioned on here that George Jones has a Capser that runs 30+1. I think he said it was a Fred Craig tube...non-welded?? (I think he said he got it from Bucky P.). He does roll-size his brass...as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgerat Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I hope this doesn't sound like STI bashing but for me I would much rather buy the SVI part even for 20% more. I have always been impressed with SVI quality while STI while generally good can be hit or miss. Also would much rather but from the inovator rather than one who copies it. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I hope this doesn't sound like STI bashing but for me I would much rather buy the SVI part even for 20% more. I have always been impressed with SVI quality while STI while generally good can be hit or miss. Also would much rather but from the inovator rather than one who copies it. Then you wouldn't be buying anything, as the innovator decided he didn't want to manufacture them. He transferred the rights to Strayer and Skinner. STI and SVI got the rights equally at the same time, STI was just busy building guns to fill orders and SVI had time on their hands and an urgency to be first. And yes, it sounds like STI bashing, maybe just not with malicious intent, until the last sentence. Saying their quality is less than a comparable company and that they "copied" an idea or concept is just that, bashing. But hey, it is what it is and that is your opinion, everybody has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 (edited) So help me understand how this is copying? It looks like what STI did was to decide to execute a part in aluminum (machined) that previously they offered as injection molded polymer. Peter Adams FY-39604 Besides why would you want to turn an sti into a caspian Edited April 6, 2009 by caspian guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Please stop the STI vs. SV banter. - Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie the Swede Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 As I see it we have two different products that are equally good. The only difference is a few dollars and design. You pick your choice and decide whats best for you. As for myself I will stick to the polymer grips as they fit my budget and I like to shoot. More money equals more shooting (for me that is). A good and bad discussion is usually fruitless as opinions will wary with the person who gives the answer. //Fredrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKR Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I have tossed the idea of a metal grip on my open gun. I have had a couple Paras over the years and really like that solid grip feel. I will admit that my stippled plastic grip is to thin and can be distorted during mag changes. That being said I would like to try the svi because of the curviness of the backstrap. But like the existing magwell option from sti. Finally got ice magwells on all my guns. So what do you do, just cant win! BTW be the first guy to coat one with plastic and make it possible to stipple and paint and you got a winner in my eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 You can stipple and paint metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenTX Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I stopped by STI today and while I was there had an opportunity to handle a gun with the aluminum grip and one with the polymer grip side by side. To me, it feels like the aluminum grip is not as wide as the polymer. After adding grip tape or texture that might not be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKR Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I understand it is a paintable platform, but I just cant envision a stipple job that I like. The svi milled holes(?) are very close but not coarse enough looking. My Shanahan grip is nasty coarse, just the way I like it! If someone can show me a stipple job on metal that looks like that I want one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoofy Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Who was it that said "most IPSC shooters will spend $500 on gear that looks cool, but won't spend a dime to improve their shooting."? Edited April 8, 2009 by Hoofy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) I stopped by STI today and while I was there had an opportunity to handle a gun with the aluminum grip and one with the polymer grip side by side. To me, it feels like the aluminum grip is not as wide as the polymer. After adding grip tape or texture that might not be the case. What type of guns did you compare... (5" or 6"? Short or long dust cover? Bull or bushing barrel?) How did the weight and balance compare b/w the two? Edited April 8, 2009 by Xfactor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogiebb Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) i like the way it looks plus the fear of not cracking your grip with an overstuffed starter mag is a big help...but $400 might be a bit steep Edited April 8, 2009 by ogiebb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenTX Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I stopped by STI today and while I was there had an opportunity to handle a gun with the aluminum grip and one with the polymer grip side by side. To me, it feels like the aluminum grip is not as wide as the polymer. After adding grip tape or texture that might not be the case. What type of guns did you compare... (5" or 6"? Short or long dust cover? Bull or bushing barrel?) How did the weight and balance compare b/w the two? I believe they were both 5" EDGEs with bull barrels. I couldn't tell any real difference in weight, but I wasn't concentrating on that. I have small hands and so the size/feel was what I looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGRYREB Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Since Caspian Mags are the same dimensions as Tanfoglio you could get 21 rather easily. Actually for less $$ then a standard S_I mag. Henning sells them for $95 each I believe and yes.. they do hold 21 reloadable. I've seen Tanfoglio mags converted for a Caspian, it's not real hard. Hell.. speaking of that you could just get a Tanfoglio which is a steel framed gun for Half the price of an S_I and get cheap 21 round mags... There I go again... talking myself out of my STI... Thread Drift On: What do you have to do to convert Tanfoglio mags to Caspian? Who? Thanks for your time. Angryreb Thread Drift Off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 The top of the mag at the front needs the to be lowered for the frame stop and adjust for the slide stop catch. The mag catch hole also needs an adjustment. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
want2race Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I did some work, for this guy, who had this gun, and an idea.... After I got done with it, the gun handled and balanced very well with the aluminum grip. It weighed 3oz different from the plastic grip, easily removable from somewhere else if total weight is a concern. The single undercut was a good place to start. I like only one undercut, nothing for the support hand. Otherwise my trigger finger hits the fingers from my weak hand. I've yet to hear negative comments from anybody that personally shot his pistol and aluminum grip. I'm just glad that STI is producing these. There is a TON of time in these grips, I think the price is representative of that. The STI is machined. The SVI is two cast pieces. Apples and Oranges. Both fruit, but different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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