sinnsyk Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 I forwarded your suggestion to Jason and I made him aware of this thread so he can join in. We'll get the matches started and then I think it'll naturally evolve as shooters start joining in on the fun. We'll let others borrow our tommies, but if there's interest in other classes and guns as you've mentioned we're open to it. I've thrown up a quick website to get something up and running. We'll fill in info, pictures, rulebook as we go along. American Zoot Shooters Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This is cool, and I don't have to find a nickname for this sport. A friend once made me a t-shirt that said: Capizzo ? Capone ? Its all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnsyk Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Al, You'll be a shoe in... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How about this as just a rough start:Bonnie & Clyde Class: 1911 Pistol, Other period semi auto rifle or lever action, Pump Shotgun. Weren't Bonnie and Clyde well know for using a Browning semi shotgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How about this as just a rough start:Bonnie & Clyde Class: 1911 Pistol, Other period semi auto rifle or lever action, Pump Shotgun. Weren't Bonnie and Clyde well know for using a Browning semi shotgun? Yes A5's They also used a Browning BAR but not many people have those. Like I said its a rough start. If you want to use A5's and the club allows it. By all means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitspitr Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 There were also a lot of lever guns used in the '20's and 30's. That might be a way to draw some more CAS shooters...that is if you want the sport to grow fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Once you get things rolling, instead of annual dues, everyone could pay 'protection money'. I think you've got me hooked, I even eyed a semi Thompson at the gun show. Even my non shooting wife thought it looked like fun. Let us know when the first match is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnsyk Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 We're "zootin'" for a match in the fall in Colorado. Reason is we'll have more time to organize and get everyone ready to get the zoots and gear. Jason and I have been on this idea for almost a year and a half, but now we've dropped the ball and it's moving forward quickly. We've been working on the website, ironing out the rules and we'll soon have more info. What I can say is that if you do think it's cool, get a tommy or a 1911 as authentic as possible. We're going to be very open-minded to any kind of tommy and 1911 as we want everyone to join us to have fun. After a while I'm sure things might tighten up with rules and shit, but we're out for fun not to kill initiative. Jason is super laid back and we're having a ball with it so far. Guarantee it'll be cool and we'll try to get some veteran car enthusiasts to show up and hopefully put on a 1920's galla dinner with a swing band / dancing. Maybe have to try doing charleston dance. At minimum dress up, get some cool 1920's clothing for yourself and your partner. Show up, we'll lend you guns if you want. Shoulder rigs will be allowed. At least one full auto Tommy will be available either to borrow or rent, depending on Alan. We got our clothes for about $180 for a complete zoot suit. Plus shoes and hat. I think it'll be a riot for the entire family if you so wish. We've gotten lots of emails already and we'll try to get tv out there. It'll be a spectacle for sure. We've also got a movie set designer that'll help us build a "town". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 ok I really need to get my waiver for the US, this would be wicked fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Story Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Ok, this is cool! Cool enough that it even drew me here to sign up, having seen a link to the youtube video posted on The Fedora Lounge forums. You want cross-over from SASS, how about the 'Treasure of Sierra Madre' Caper?* : .38 lever action carbines & double action revolvers, any 12 gauge you can rustle up. (Fred C. Dobbs and Bob Curtin, both down on their luck in Tampico, Mexico in 1925, meet up with a grizzled prospector named Howard and decide to join with him in search of gold in the wilds of central Mexico. - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040897/ ) Edited January 12, 2009 by Story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Story Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Henning, I just shot you a PM, but I don't think it went through. Short version, check out this thread in particular - http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread....ed=1#post712301 And here's a period gunfightin' look everyone can pull off - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnsyk Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 AZSA at Shot Show.... Zoot Shooters at Shot Show We also just uploaded the rules and the store page with our t-shirts now available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 great stuff..love the T-Shirts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Story Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Some potentially useful rules, for the non-Thompson totin' folks - http://members.cox.net/dochunter/Wild%20Bunch%20Rules.jpg I suppose you could just change '1917' to '1937'. Edited January 24, 2009 by Story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitspitr Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) I am soooo stoked! I put a down payment on a 1911 yesterday. Ok, it's not quite PC since it's a copy of the GI Parkerized 1911 A1, but at least it's not a fully tricked out stainless steel race gun. I should have enough saved up to finish paying it off by May. Then I'm good to go!!!!!! Edited February 14, 2009 by Pitspitr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnsyk Posted February 14, 2009 Author Share Posted February 14, 2009 Nice to see you're gearing up for the sport. I'll get some more stuff up on our website soon. For now we've got the May 30th as our next match and the big one will be August 29th. I've got an A1 as well, but both Jason and I want to get the pre-WWII model. Colt has the 1918 model replica and it's $900-1000. I talked to Rich at CanyonCreekCustom.com a week ago and he can always build a 1918 WWI replica based on Caspian frame/slide which make a WWI correct frame/slide. He'll need to dig up the other parts necessary, but I'm really tempted to go that route at one point because it WILL NOT BE a factory slapped together. You can put a good barrel and have it fitted right. Eventually custom built guns from scratch or gunsmith modified factory guns is the only way to go. I'm getting my 1911 .40S&W singlestack built by Rich this next week. Base was a Springfield 45 A1. Pretty much all that is left of the old gun is the frame.. I've signed up for USPSA Single Stack nationals which is what this gun was built specifically for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken hebert Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 This is cool, and I don't have to find a nickname for this sport.A friend once made me a t-shirt that said: Capizzo ? Capone ? Its all the same. Al... We gonna be making a trip to Colorado in August...? Do I need ot buy the Tommy G we have in stock at the shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duster Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nice to see you're gearing up for the sport. I'll get some more stuff up on our website soon. For now we've got the May 30th as our next match and the big one will be August 29th.I've got an A1 as well, but both Jason and I want to get the pre-WWII model. Colt has the 1918 model replica and it's $900-1000. I talked to Rich at CanyonCreekCustom.com a week ago and he can always build a 1918 WWI replica based on Caspian frame/slide which make a WWI correct frame/slide. He'll need to dig up the other parts necessary, but I'm really tempted to go that route at one point because it WILL NOT BE a factory slapped together. You can put a good barrel and have it fitted right. Eventually custom built guns from scratch or gunsmith modified factory guns is the only way to go. I'm getting my 1911 .40S&W singlestack built by Rich this next week. Base was a Springfield 45 A1. Pretty much all that is left of the old gun is the frame.. I've signed up for USPSA Single Stack nationals which is what this gun was built specifically for. Just a little historical note. May 23rd is the 75th Anniversary of the Death of Bonnie & Clyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitspitr Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) So at the inaugural match did there seem to be much time difference between the full auto's and the semi's? Edited February 19, 2009 by Pitspitr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggen Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 OK, the guns are a known known. But the cloths are a known unknown. Best place for style that I know of is http://www.thefedoralounge.com/ Hats, suits, different era's, lots of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitspitr Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 2-23-9 9:00pm central the history channel is running all sorts of ganster programs tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 12:15 cst HBOSE Zoot Suit I was channel surfing and look what I found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitspitr Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) This is slightly off topic in a way, but yet not really. I received the following e-mail. As you will see the 1927 Thompsons are on the list. If you are looking at participating in this sport and don't have your Tommy gun, you might want to think about getting it now. "Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America Jan. 5, 2008 > > > > Gun-ban list proposed. > > > > > Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the > Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush > administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR > 1022, 110th Congress) It serves as a framework for the new list the > Brady's plan to introduce shortly. > > > > I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity, > It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, > firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the > people. They've made little mention of criminals. > > > > Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. > Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, > confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and > more, in addition to the Second Amendment. > > > > The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse): > > > > Rifles (or copies or duplicates): > > > > M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, > AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, > NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico > Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National > FN/FAL, FN/LAR,or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, > Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS > with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, > Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). > > > > Pistols (or copies or duplicates): > > > > Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, > TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. > > > > Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, > Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new > designs): > > > > A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: > > > > (i) a folding or telescoping stock, > (ii) a threaded barrel, > (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see > below), > (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. > > > > Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 > rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles). > > > > A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable > magazine, and has: > > > > (i) a second pistol grip, > (ii) a threaded barrel, > (iii) a barrel shroud or > (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and > (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than > 10 rounds. > > > > A semiautomatic shotgun with: > (i) a folding or telescoping stock, > (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), > (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine > capacity of more than 5 rounds, and > (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder. > > > > Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion > kits.. > > > > Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: > > > > Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any > "semiautomaticrifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law > enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that > is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the > Attorney General." > > > > Note that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing > set for Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position > that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. > > > > In making this determination, the bill says, "thereshall be a rebuttable > presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military > or any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for > sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be > particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is > suitable for use in a sporting event." > > > > In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal > officers or the military is not suitable for the public. > > > > The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have > a sporting purpose just because > > > > it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of > course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional > or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the > right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the > innocent." Edited March 5, 2009 by Pitspitr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I picked up a Tommy last week....but its kinda.....Pimpy Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4406pak Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Awesome! How does one join the Zoot Shooters? Is there a membership yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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