dbagwell Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 My job has recently taken me from Arizona to California. AZ is a great state when it comes to guns and gun laws. I was also lucky to shoot at the range that many of the top pros call home. I have to admit, I'm stunned by all of the crazy gun laws here in CA, but I digress. I never paid much attention to L-10 in AZ, but now that I reside in CA I'm starting to notice little blurbs here and there about L-10 being designed for states with hi-cap restrictions or other limitations. I'm assuming that CA is one of those states. So, I'm curious, does that mean CA doesn't have or allow Open or Limited competitions? Is it even legal to possess hi-cap mags? How does it work here? Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) My job has recently taken me from Arizona to California. AZ is a great state when it comes to guns and gun laws. I was also lucky to shoot at the range that many of the top pros call home. I have to admit, I'm stunned by all of the crazy gun laws here in CA, but I digress. I never paid much attention to L-10 in AZ, but now that I reside in CA I'm starting to notice little blurbs here and there about L-10 being designed for states with hi-cap restrictions or other limitations. I'm assuming that CA is one of those states. So, I'm curious, does that mean CA doesn't have or allow Open or Limited competitions? Is it even legal to possess hi-cap mags? How does it work here? Help! IANAL, but here's my take on it: Importing, manufacturing, selling and giving magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds is a felony. Possession is explicitly legal. Borrowing mags from a friend, as long as he is in the vicinity (same squad-ish) is legal. Borrowing mags from your friend who isn't at the range is NOT. There's no constructive possession here, so importing, buying and selling disassembled magazines is perfectly legal. Good luck trying to convince an out of state dealer that this is legal though However, DO NOT import parts and assemble them in-state -> felony. Plenty of people have mags from before the ban so Limited is about as big in California as it it is other states. Edited December 19, 2008 by gose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 New residents of Kaliban can Shoot Production, L10 or Single Stack. You can shoot Limited and Open if you can borrow mags from a grandfathered shooter. Or... you can become Po Po with certain departments and become special. You can get papers to buy high caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 D-Bags, Welcome to the forums and welcome to the state with the most USPSA members! If you have some time to waste you can read the stuff at http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html concerning the state gun laws. PM me if you have any questions. See you at Norco or Pala some time. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JQ- Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 D-Bags,Welcome to the forums and welcome to the state with the most USPSA members! If you have some time to waste you can read the stuff at http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html concerning the state gun laws. PM me if you have any questions. See you at Norco or Pala some time. Later, Chuck You REALLY need to study - I mean STUDY - your Kali gun laws. There are many many esoteric laws and you need to be WELL informed...no hi-caps, etc, etc...I have no working knowledge other than the fact that Kali is very tough/restricted. Go Study! Stay Free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Rest assured the Open & Limited are alive and well in the Golden State. That said, learn the laws to stay out of trouble. Norco should be your first range to find. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbagwell Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 Guys, Thanks for your feedback. It sounds like I need to attend some matches and see some things for myself. I'm looking forward to checking into the ranges that you've mentioned. It appears that Norco is pretty close. DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Guys,Thanks for your feedback. It sounds like I need to attend some matches and see some things for myself. I'm looking forward to checking into the ranges that you've mentioned. It appears that Norco is pretty close. DB If you are actually in Carlsbad, Pala is about 1/2 the distance than Norco. But, Norco has a match most every Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E5MC Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 I was raised in Cali and left courtesy of the USMC. I really miss the beach's and real Mexican food but you guys can keep the silly gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbagwell Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 I was raised in Cali and left courtesy of the USMC. I really miss the beach's and real Mexican food but you guys can keep the silly gun laws. I hear ya...after coming over from AZ and learning about the gun laws here, I was thinking WTF? I still own a home in the Phoenix area and I'm hoping to get back there sometime in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddjob Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 If you make California wages, retire, then move out one can live well.................but then thats why people hate us..........Anyways....If you borrow the hi cap mags for open & limited.....your good to go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photog Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 AR15.com the original firearms forum... read this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intel6 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I was raised in Cali and left courtesy of the USMC. I really miss the beach's and real Mexican food but you guys can keep the silly gun laws. Same here Kevin, except the Army was the reason I left. Of course that brought me to the great state of AZ. Neal in AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting4life Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Spend some time on calguns.net We have a bunch of great information on there. 44mag.com sells magazine rebuild kits to people in California. I know a lot of people, including myself, that bought a lot of hi caps before the ban for guns that they did not even own at the time. What ever you do, do not bring your hi caps in the state unless that are broken down into pieces and do not re-assemble them until you leave the state. A lot of people are working on changing the laws through the court and we have made good progress over the last 3 years. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbagwell Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Thanks for the information. I'll be spending some time on those sites which were mentioned. Now that I reside in CA I can truly appreciate what the NRA and others are doing to protect our freedoms. California is breaking the law IMHO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbullgpd Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 A question for anyone who knows or who can show me where in the law. Can a guy living in California own an AR upper? Just the upper 20" with flash supressor fixed carry handle? I have a guy who wants to buy mine but he lives there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Generally laws don't exists to say you can have something. Laws are written to say you can't have it. There's isn't a law in the books saying you can have an AR upper. There isn't one that says you can't. An upper is not a controlled part in CA. Anybody can have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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