flyingchange Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I was out shooting this morning when my trigger suddenly turned to mush. When I rack the slide, the trigger sets, but then when I pull it, nothing happens, the firing pin doesn't move and the trigger just mushes back and forth. The only way I can get the gun apart is to take off the slide plate cover and remove the firing pin assembly that way. I've got another Glock that I compared it to visually, and everything LOOKS normal, but I don't have a thorough enough understanding of the trigger mechanism to know what's not going on that should be. I hope there's someone out there who's seen this before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVelocity Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I was out shooting this morning when my trigger suddenly turned to mush. When I rack the slide, the trigger sets, but then when I pull it, nothing happens, the firing pin doesn't move and the trigger just mushes back and forth. The only way I can get the gun apart is to take off the slide plate cover and remove the firing pin assembly that way. I've got another Glock that I compared it to visually, and everything LOOKS normal, but I don't have a thorough enough understanding of the trigger mechanism to know what's not going on that should be. I hope there's someone out there who's seen this before! Trigger return spring probably broke. It's a common failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingchange Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 I was out shooting this morning when my trigger suddenly turned to mush. When I rack the slide, the trigger sets, but then when I pull it, nothing happens, the firing pin doesn't move and the trigger just mushes back and forth. The only way I can get the gun apart is to take off the slide plate cover and remove the firing pin assembly that way. I've got another Glock that I compared it to visually, and everything LOOKS normal, but I don't have a thorough enough understanding of the trigger mechanism to know what's not going on that should be. I hope there's someone out there who's seen this before! Trigger return spring probably broke. It's a common failure. That was my first thought too, but that's not it. No broken springs and the trigger returns just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVelocity Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 If not the trigger spring, maybe the firing pin safety or trigger bar itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotm4 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Try another connector and or trigger bar if you have one. Also check the firing pin safety spring to be sure it hasn't come undone. I just saw this recently, it made the trigger heavy initially and from the owner of the pistol trying to shoot it, it bent the trigger bar slightly. Nothing fixed it but a new firing pin safety spring and new trigger bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingchange Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 Try another connector and or trigger bar if you have one. Also check the firing pin safety spring to be sure it hasn't come undone. I just saw this recently, it made the trigger heavy initially and from the owner of the pistol trying to shoot it, it bent the trigger bar slightly. Nothing fixed it but a new firing pin safety spring and new trigger bar. Ding ding ding, we have a winner! I was gonna try swapping these out one at a time to see which one it was, went to pop the connector out and found this: Thanks very much for your help! Is there an illustration online somewhere that shows what bumps into what through the course of the trigger pull? That would help me diagnose these things a lot faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVelocity Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 holy crap.. that's not good. I've never seen a connector break like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Capizzo Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingchange Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. It wasn't easy but I pulled it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Strong Lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasOPM Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I have a broken Scherer connector that looks just like that. The angle was a little too wide to fit in the housing when it came out of the package, so I had to bend it a bit. Too much, so I had to open it up a bit. It went pretty quick after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I would bet that this could happen after 10K rounds and ungodly amount of dry fire. She does live in Montana, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinMike Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I'd contact Lone Wolf Dist. Bet they'll be very interested to see this and probably send you a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuck in C Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Aftermarket trigger parts... A Glock will sense these and cause them to break. Only stock Glock has the right kharma. But, you must be on the right side of the shooting gods; something like that would only happen to me in the middle of stage in an out of town major match that I spent a gazillion bucks to get to. And I concur, give LWD a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Is there an illustration online somewhere that shows what bumps into what through the course of the trigger pull? That would help me diagnose these things a lot faster. Glock interaction click on parts, then roll over the part names to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty whiteboy Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. I seem to break them. But I have been told I could tear up an anvil with a rubber hammer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. It wasn't easy but I pulled it off. And her profile shows: Interests powerlifting, horses, road trips, hiking, amateur radio, things that go BANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 The only way I can get the gun apart is to take off the slide plate cover and remove the firing pin assembly that way. An inventive solution to the problem. I'll have to put that one in my bag of tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 That part (connector) also has a spring function to it (beyond just camming down the trigger bar)...which is part of the reset. When the connector is in the connector housing, you will notice it stands out proud from the housing at a slight angle. The indicated nub (above) rides along on the inside of the slide. There is a bump in the slide that depresses the connector toward the housing. This is the spring action. The stress point on the "spring" is where your's broke. I really can't speak with too much authority on this (LWD connectors). I do recall reading (Internet forums, fwiw) that the radius at that 90d bend was too sharp. Which might concentrate stress, and it also might mean that the connector doesn't want to be fully inserting into the housing. Also, I believe that the nub on some of these connectors was over-sized...which adds stress to the system. I think, on Glock Talk, that these issues have been brought up over time and LWD was aware of them. I just don't know to what extent they held true and if the issues were properly addressed. On a different note, and likely unrelated to this issue... You have some wear on that connector, where the trigger bar rides against it. This area should be stoned smooth and polished, and it needs to be kept wet with oil. I will run all other parts of the gun dry if I have to, but that area needs a drop of oil. (I don't know how many Glocks I've "fixed" at the range when somebody came running to me that their trigger got really hard to pull...then quit working. A drop of oil and they were back in business.) Take the slide off. Actuate the trigger forward. Then put a drop of oil down in there, between the nose of the trigger bar and the connector. Do so before every use. When You put your new connector in, make sure to completely seat it into the housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. If you will notice, it's not a Glock part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. If you will notice, it's not a Glock part. I broke a GLOCK frame once, after ~15k rounds of factory ammo. One of the metal inserts (slide rails?) snapped right off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You broke a Glock ? !! I didn't know that could happen. If you will notice, it's not a Glock part. I broke a GLOCK frame once, after ~15k rounds of factory ammo. One of the metal inserts (slide rails?) snapped right off... Me to. I broke a G22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 holy crap.. that's not good. I've never seen a connector break like that. +1. That's a first for me too. I believe that Lone Wolf will be more than happy to send you a new one on their dollar. While you are at it, try and pick up a few extra trigger springs. They are the weakest link in the chain of Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) The silver lining is that connectors are cheap,readily available,and you don't need a 'smith to fit/install it.I'm happy to hear that it was something simple,you'll be back to blasting in no time.-Mike Edited November 5, 2008 by kframe_mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Let's stay on topic, folks. Flyingchange has a specific issue here. No need to drift. -Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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