1911vm Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Ok so know I have one . And know I have questions. 1st who offers mod’s for Saiga that are good and I do not need to wait ½ year – 1 year or more. 2nd who has 10rnd. mags this should be fun. Vladimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Bell Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 A shooting buddy has spent some dollars with http://www.tromix.com and been satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineshootah Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 A shooting buddy has spent some dollars with http://www.tromix.com and been satisfied. Tromix is not accepting anymore orders for 2008, he is booked into 09 right now. (I am the last one for 08! ) However, if you do a search here, I think there are a couple threads on the subject of those that do mods for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 5, 2008 Author Share Posted April 5, 2008 (edited) Thanks to both of you but I do not want to wait to 09 that even sounds wrong. it should not be that way. I wish Benny Hill would do this work. PS if any one that does mod,s is reading this please contact me. Thanks Edited April 5, 2008 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Fred Hindman, in San Angelo Tx does work. Look up Wakal on this forum, he is an advocate of Fred's Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 You can do the conversion yourself it is really simple even I was able to do it. You are gonna need some chokes for three gun, polychoke works well for me. Mine ran perfect right out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LdyGunner Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I was able to do all my mods myself. It's not that hard at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 I did my own conversion too. All you really need is a hand drill and some handtools. A Dremel and a TIG welder will let you do a more perfect cosmetic job, but are not necessary for a functional PG conversion. Doing your own conversion will also make you conversant enough with the design that you can make your own modifications - the Saiga 12 is a gun that cries out for extended controls. Here is mine... cost me $200 on top of the cost of the base gun: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam B Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I have modified about 20 or so and it is a breeze, the hardest part is cutting the hole out for the grip nut screw, other than that you are just knocking out pins and reinstalling parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'll be in Phoenix area next week and would really appreciate any suggestions of which shop or shops to visit which might have these parts. Thanks, Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 (edited) I'll be in Phoenix area next week and would really appreciate any suggestions of which shop or shops to visit which might have these parts. Thanks, Will I doubt you will find conversion parts in any Phoenix gunshops. I got most of my conversion parts on-line from K-var (NATO length buttstock, pistol grip bushing) and Tapco (fire control group parts, retaining plate, pistol grip). If you are still in Phoenix on Saturday, try to swing by Rio Salado for our monthly rifle/shotgun match. If you are coming, let me know by IM and I'll bring my Saiga 12 along for you to kick the tires on. Edited April 6, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Wow, what a nice offer - one of the many things I've come to appreciate about the people in this sport and on this board. We unfortunately have a tight schedule and won't be able to do any shooting while there [can't believe it myself] but may get a chance to hit a few places like Cactus Tactical, etc. and thought we might see something. Thanks again for the offer. Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Thanks for all the faith in a fellow shooter. You all are probably correct. I could do the work my self but a few roadblocks, I work tremendous amount of time 60-80hr. a week. If I have time to do something fun out side my kids and sexy wife I am at the range shooting what I already have. I also truly have no place to do it until I finish my work area in the basement. Please do not yell at me but I actually have a D 1050 that I have not used because I have not finished my workbench. And no no no I do not want to sell it. Thanks again but I will need to find a good smith to do the job. Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I guess Saiga's are just about impossible to use without the pg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I guess Saiga's are just about impossible to use without the pg? Some people use them with the traditional stock, but they kinda suck. The PG conversion is so quick, easy and cheap, I'm not sure why anyone would not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg80 Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Check with www.mississippiautoarms.com or www.dpharms.com for parts. Also MAA and www.riflestocks.com offer a no modification pistol grip conversion to get you started, but a true conversion is the way to go. About not having a place to work on it? Kitchen table has been where a few have done the work. Make it a family affair......have the wife hold the light and the kid(s) hold the tools and parts. It is an ak. What can you possibly mess up? A great deal of info can be found at the www.saiga-12.com forum as well. Pics of builds, parts, ideas, and step by step mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Mississippi Auto Arms carries Tromix parts...and one of Tony's new bits is a one-piece trigger grip nut/trigger guard that bolts into the existing receiver holes. Knock off the bottom plate, bolt on the new trigger guard, and you should be good to go. That would be the easy route, and cheap. advertsing removed by moderator. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunfighteruk Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 E-tac are building me two ipsc set up saigas , wait time is about 2 months ,look on www.ipscgun.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itento Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) Six months ago I would have never tnought about a S-12 but, while ROing one of the Area 6 3-gun shot gun stages, I got the opportunity to see Dean with his Tromix gun and I was impressed (both with both Dean and the gun). Dean let me fire a few rounds through it and it performed like a champ. Two weeks ago I got the opportunity to pick up a S-12 from one of our local dealers at a great price (it had been sitting on his shelves for a year). I still love my JP 11-87 and never had a bit of problem with it, but the Saiga intreges me. Not knowing a thing about AKs, I started searching the web to see what everybody else was doing. Obviously need more mag capacity than the 1-5 rounder. As far as I can tell, there are curren tly NO 10 round APGs available although may come available in a few weeks. There were also no 20 rd drums available though I think I've got 2 coming from the first production run. Of course I found out about 922 compliance needed for high cap magazines. Any US made magazine counts as 3 US parts. I've already put in a G2 hammer (1st US part). Not real hard but, without instructions, a little tricky to get the retaining spring back over the hammer pin. Wound up using a drift pin to hold the hammer in place while lifting the retaining spring and sliding in the pin. Needed 3 hands. Got a Polychoke II (second US part). I've got a Tromix gas block on backorder (3rd US part). The one thing I haven't done yet is test fire with Reduced Recoil slugs and light shot loads. Does anyone have experience with these??? Will I have to open up the gas ports or block??? Edited April 16, 2008 by itento Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) ...Of course I found out about 922 compliance needed for high cap magazines.... If you do a proper pistol-grip conversion, then you will have plenty of compliance parts (trigger, hammer, pistol grip, stock, AGP mag parts). It also makes the gun much more manageable and ergonomic than with the original stock. The PG conversion process is pretty straight forward with common tools. Edited April 16, 2008 by StealthyBlagga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itento Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Actualy, I've pretty much convinced myself to tackle that project. I'm still a little unclear on how to fill the rivet holes from the original trigger position. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianATL Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 plastic plugs hardware section of Lowe's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Does any one make A galil type stock for saiga 12 or something that would be considered as a thumb hole stock? Not pistol grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gose Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Do you guys use a polychoke or a brake on your saigas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Do you guys use a polychoke or a brake on your saigas? I don't use a poly choke since I can not see that they do much for you except make the gun longer and add to the cost. Having said that, I will eat those words if I ever show up to shoot a match with 50+ yard shotgun clay targets. I also do not use a brake but some others do. IMO you do not need a brake. Others use a brake because they like it and/or there are some available now for Saiga that have a large "cool" factor. Edited May 14, 2008 by Charles Bond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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