srrch Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hello All, I'm ready to make a big purchase of bullets to get ready for IPSC and IDPA shooting in 2007. I was all set to go with Precision Cast (lead moly coated) bullets because they are very inexpensive. Then I saw the price of the Precision Delta (jacketed) bullets. Precision Delta bullets are more expensive than lead, however they are the least expensive jacketed bullets I've seen. I'm looking to buy 147 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45 acp. Let me know what your experiences have been with Precision Delta bullets (especially in those calibers). I appreciate your help, Thanks, SrRch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I used 2k of the 147 9x19 and 165gr .40 fmj this year, and just bought 4k of the 230 jrn. They are great bullets, weigh their published weight or just a smidge more, are consistent, and they shoot great at 25yds with my match guns. I shot the LTD nationals with the .40s and the gun ran like a top. My 9x19 production load clusters nicely with the 147s. My VV310 load with the 230 .45s shoot into one hole with my SS guns and my 625, which I plan on shooting more of next year. Other than them not being jhps I have nothing but good things to say about them, and will buy more. Plus I love calling down to MS and hearing the southern drawl of the lady on the phone too.... They are match bullets for me, if I have to drive far away and stay in a motel, I dont want to scrimp on bullets. My .02$. Hope it helps! Regards, DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Best Bullets for the money!!!!! I have been using the .40 cal 180s and the .45 cal 230s for two years now and have not had any type problems, or complaints..........just wish Joe and crew were closer to me so I could just run by and pick some up when I need them. Btw, the bullets are just as accurate or better than Montana Golds in my guns. Unless your gun just doesn't like them (I really doubt it though) you can't go wrong. Hopalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R/T Performance Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) I have had great luck with them best bang for the buck Edited December 13, 2006 by R/T Performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I just checked their website. Seems they don't offer JHP's Are they fully jacketed, or is the base leaded? Does anyone have any issues with the non-JHP's? I have been a loyal Montana Gold shooter, but their prices have gotten out of hand, so I am looking for a new bullet. I had decided to go with the Zero's from Chuck, but I am still open to suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 They'e good bullets BUT watch for the base of the bullets to have flashing or rough edges from the copper jacket. This could cause an uneven gas release behind the bullet as it leaves the barrel and the corresponding loss of accuracy. I pulled several from the last batch I had..... Mick A27257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I have used Precision Delta almost exclusively for about a year now. They have performed reasonably well in my guns. My only complaint is that the jacketed bullets have an exposed lead base. This creates a fair amount of smoke regardless of which powder I use. That is a major issue for me. I have developed some loads for my open gun using a Zero JHP with excellent results. I bought 1000 Zeros to try in my limited gun but haven't had an opportunity to test them yet. I have several excellent Montana Gold loads for my limited and L10 guns and will continue to use them until I find something cheaper that performs as well or better. I spent about a kazillion dollars every year in IPSC competition. I'm not going to undercut my own efforts by compromising on ammo quality to shave a few bucks per 1000 Price matters. Performance matters. The trick is to find a way to get both. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 OK, just ahd a phone discussion with Dirtypool, and I am now leaning towards the Berry's he shoots, or just sticking with the previous decision of Zero's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Zeros are good! I've never had any problem with them. No deformed bullets or empty hollowpoints or bad bases... Try to find someone to buy upwards of 50,000 or more with and get a better deal sent on a pallet rather than shipped by mail etc.... I once did that with STAR and got a heck of a deal!!! Mick A27257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Precision Delta are good accurate bullets. I do always have some rejects that have to be tossed. I hope I haven't loaded any The base has exposed lead, so they smoke more than JHPs. I also received a couple thousand that were covered in something kind of sticky and had to tumble them before using them. Not a huge deal, but I didn't spend half a fortune on equipment to have components cause me to perform an additional step. Removing case lube is bad enough. I went back to the Rainier 180 HPs I used in the past. No rejects and are accurate in all my guns, regardless of caliber (.38 Super/minor, .40, and .45). Also switched my wife over to Rainier as well when her G35 liked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srrch Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 (edited) Thanks all for the info. The smoke issue is a real concern for me. Lately I've been shooting Precision Cast lead moly coated (147 gr fp). I get no smoke at all from those bulllets. The inside of my barrell was coated had these "streaks". I assume it is the moly coating. However, it came off very quickly with a brass bore brush. They are fairly accurate, however, I've never actually performed a side by side accuracy test. My plan is to buy about 10 to 15000 147 gr bullets in bulk soon. I'm still waffling a little but I'm leaning towards the moly coated bullets. Below is a price comparison for all the bullet All prices include shipping except for Zero. Bulk discounts have also been added for all. Montanna Gold Bullets are excellent, however at that price, I may as well buy factory ammo. If there is anyone in Michigan that would like combine an order to get the best pricing, please e-mail me Bullet Bullet Price for Price Company Shape 10,000 Per bullet Precision Cast FP 473.50 0.0474 Precision Delta FMJ-RN 560.00 0.0560 Berrys (from Berrys) FP 609.60 0.0610 zero (powder valley) RN 612.75 0.0613 Rainer (from Midway) FP 666.51 0.0667 Rainer (from Cabelas) FP 713.55 0.0714 Montanna Gold CMJ 752.75 0.0753 Edited December 14, 2006 by srrch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmitchl Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I've shot approx 10K of the Precison Delta 9mm 147's. Never had a problem. I didn't notice any more smoke than with other bullets. The usual time between order and delivery is usually just a few days. If they are temporarily out of stock they have called me to ask if it's OK that my order will take a few additional days. Good product and good customer service. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 (edited) I don't notice the smoke when I am shooting. However, it is there and there is quite a bit of it. When going back and looking at match video it is quite apparent that my gun is smoking a lot more than most other shooters. It doesn't bother my shooting, I just don't want to be breathing it. If I had a blood test for lead my doctor would probably slap me when he saw the results. Tony Edited December 14, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Hello All,I'm ready to make a big purchase of bullets to get ready for IPSC and IDPA shooting in 2007. I was all set to go with Precision Cast (lead moly coated) bullets because they are very inexpensive. Then I saw the price of the Precision Delta (jacketed) bullets. Precision Delta bullets are more expensive than lead, however they are the least expensive jacketed bullets I've seen. I'm looking to buy 147 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45 acp. Let me know what your experiences have been with Precision Delta bullets (especially in those calibers). I appreciate your help, Thanks, SrRch After loading my first k of 147 fmj's I am impressed. They look, and actually are, "dirtier" than Rainiers, but function flawlessly. You'd really want to wear a rubber glove on your bulett feeding hand, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom D. Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 srrch, Grafs sells Berrys for less than the factory. Checked prices a couple of weeks ago @ $55.66 for 2M on 147RN 9m/m. Believe Grafs has even better prices in the quantity you are looking at. Website is grafs.com. I was leaning toward Precision delta until this thread. No open bases for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I got a good first couple K of the PD 180 FMJ's. The next 10K order I got wasn't consistent. Only one box of the ten had the consistent bullets I had gotten before. The other nine had bullets of varying meplats and ogives, making loading consistent ammo with consistent OAL impossible. The bullets are usable only for practice (I am not willing to put a hot powder charge in the case and have it 15 thousandths shorter than the OAL I need for safe pressure). Just my own personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Six-Gun Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I have used the Precision Delta 230 with no problems, however I have also been using the Precision 230s and can't see that the FMJs are that much better. I use them in my S & W 25 and 625 and accuracy is good in both with no smoke using VV N320. I would like the Precisions to have a rounder nose, rather than the flat point, but it is not enough to make me switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 PD's are fine. Zeros are the sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 The "dirty" part of PD depends on luck. Sometimes they show up all bright and shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster cogburn Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 (edited) I live less than 100 miles from precision delta and I order my bullets from Rainier. They are total copper plated and have worked well for me for the past 5 years. My friends and I get together and order at least 100,000 at a time once a year.The price is good and that many at one time shipping is included. I live less than 100 miles from precision delta and I order my bullets from Rainier. They are total copper plated and have worked well for me for the past 5 years. My friends and I get together and order at least 100,000 at a time once a year.The price is good and that many at one time shipping is included. Edited December 16, 2006 by rooster cogburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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