indyshooter Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 with the new single stack class, i'm afraid limited 10 may be going away. i've even heard the area 6 shoot won't have a L-10 class. anybody heard anything reliable? any thoughts from other L-10 shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Wow.. Great idea. Another L10 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 with the new single stack class, i'm afraid limited 10 may be going away. i've even heard the area 6 shoot won't have a L-10 class. anybody heard anything reliable? any thoughts from other L-10 shooters? Indy, Please look around a bit, there are several threads runing now that address this issue. THere is definately a group that wants to do away with L-10. I am not one of them. I think that SS should be a catagory under L-10. That said, we should probably merge this into the other threads. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Jim... Can you explain how 'categories' would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Categories for divisions will work the same way as categories for shooters, ie. Senior, Super Senior etc. If there are enough competitors in a category then - in theory - there could be awards by class as well. So - if my understanding is right - if you had a match and 50-60 people show L10 as a category then they would get the same level of prizes as they do now as a division. I think... The rule book is a little vague on the subject of what level the prizes have to go to. But if there are more than 5 people then they have to recognise the category. This 'vagueness' could actually be a good thing, as it frees up the Match Director to decide the level of awards for each category. Such information could be posted on the match entry form so everyone knows what to expect before they get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911user Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 From what I've read, L10 is safe for 2007. For 2008 and beyond, it would only take 1 BOD member to change their vote and the L10 division will go away or be dramatically changed. If this is wrong, someone please correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyshooter Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 being new to this forum, i'm sorry to have brought up an old idea, merlin. i would like to thank the other responders. how do i find these threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 being new to this forum, i'm sorry to have brought up an old idea, merlin. i would like to thank the other responders. how do i find these threads? Use "View New Posts" to keep up on the current threads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Search Button at the top of the page. From other threads folks know about how I feel, but I'll address the prize table. After the winners in Limited are announced (i.e. Match and Class winners), the category winners are announced (i.e. Senior, Super Senior, Lady, Junior, L-10 & SS). Prize table by however match staff wants to do it (overall finish, class winners, et. al.). Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 being new to this forum, i'm sorry to have brought up an old idea, merlin. i would like to thank the other responders. how do i find these threads? Sorry Skip... I usually wait until new members have at least 10 posts before I start acting like an ass.... My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyshooter Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 i'll try to get those others posts up quick so i'll be fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) being new to this forum, i'm sorry to have brought up an old idea, merlin. i would like to thank the other responders. how do i find these threads? Sorry Skip... I usually wait until new members have at least 10 posts before I start acting like an ass.... My bad. Yes you are... Man I keep waiting for some of the real hardcore IDPA shooters to chime in here and really let themhave it...turn about would only be fair play....LOL This all just seems so silly....isn't this what the AC's are for...voice your complaints and compliments to them and they pass it onward.. frankly, it has gotten to be a bit much....what with everyone having a division or category for anything but a .22 derringer and Nationals for them to boot...it is time it got cleaned up a little...but whenever that happens, some people get their feelings hurt.... Guess that's all, say Good Night, Gracie... Edited November 21, 2006 by tightloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I think that MAYBE we could have a working definition of a catagory. Perhaps we can do it this way> Limited Match Winner 5 in Match L-10 Category Match Winner, 5 L-10 in Match High Master Limited, 3 M in match High Master L-10, 3 L-10 M in match. Gee looks like what we already have doesn't it? Oh, Darn, will Categories have Classifications? Let's see? New Shooter Guy (NSG) signs up with USPSA today and starts shooting L-10 as a category, his classifiers would go in a Limited since there wouldn't be a Division to be classified in. He'd shoot as a Limited U till classified, then as a Limited C (assume he gets an initial classification of C). If he is the only C L-10 category shooter, he is shooting against the Limited shooters. If there are less than 5 L-10 category, he can’t win high L-10. Why can’t we leave well enough alone? SS works in L-10, L-10 does not work as a category of Limited. We don’t need SS. We do need L-10. It is simple, we understand it, it works! Then again, maybe we need a snubnose revolver division so that those people have a place to shoot. Let’s bring that in and do away with some other division like Production or maybe Open. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyshooter Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 I think that MAYBE we could have a working definition of a catagory. Perhaps we can do it this way> Limited Match Winner 5 in Match L-10 Category Match Winner, 5 L-10 in Match High Master Limited, 3 M in match High Master L-10, 3 L-10 M in match. Gee looks like what we already have doesn't it? Oh, Darn, will Categories have Classifications? Let's see? New Shooter Guy (NSG) signs up with USPSA today and starts shooting L-10 as a category, his classifiers would go in a Limited since there wouldn't be a Division to be classified in. He'd shoot as a Limited U till classified, then as a Limited C (assume he gets an initial classification of C). If he is the only C L-10 category shooter, he is shooting against the Limited shooters. If there are less than 5 L-10 category, he can’t win high L-10. Why can’t we leave well enough alone? SS works in L-10, L-10 does not work as a category of Limited. We don’t need SS. We do need L-10. It is simple, we understand it, it works! Then again, maybe we need a snubnose revolver division so that those people have a place to shoot. Let’s bring that in and do away with some other division like Production or maybe Open. Jim that's how i see it. double action..production single stack,single action...limited 10 double stack,single action...limited dot...open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBunin Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 that's how i see it. double action..production single stack,single action...limited 10 double stack,single action...limited dot...open Or.... double action..production 10 rounds, any gun...limited 10 140mm max...limited dot...open Oh, wait. We HAVE that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronEqualizer Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I didn't have a headache till I read this post. I think maybe it's a tooma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyshooter Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 that's how i see it. double action..production single stack,single action...limited 10 double stack,single action...limited dot...open Or.... double action..production 10 rounds, any gun...limited 10 140mm max...limited dot...open Oh, wait. We HAVE that. yes we do, that's my point. i like L-10. i don't want it eliminated. i'm actually sorry i brought this up. if L-10 goes, i'll shoot limited with my single stack. i like to shoot my 1911 and i want to get better with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 that's how i see it. double action..production single stack,single action...limited 10 double stack,single action...limited dot...open Or.... double action..production 10 rounds, any gun...limited 10 140mm max...limited dot...open Oh, wait. We HAVE that. And it WORKS! Thank you! Lets leave it alone! Here's a question, How many people here got their initial classification in LIMITED with a Single Stack?? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 !Here's a question, How many people here got their initial classification in LIMITED with a Single Stack?? Jim I did. Got my initial classification in Limited with the same 1911 single stack that I was shooting in L10 at the time. Made B in Limited with a Glock 35, which was also my Production gun. Ended up putting a dot on that one and shot a year of Open with a 40. Been shooting major 9 G17 open guns lately, but just bought a revolver. Sometimes I confuse myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Got my first classification in Limited with a Taurus PT100. Apparently it's about winning trophies than improving ourselves as shooters. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 with the new single stack class, i'm afraid limited 10 may be going away. i've even heard the area 6 shoot won't have a L-10 class. anybody heard anything reliable? any thoughts from other L-10 shooters? Where did you get that?! No, Cindy has made no such decision. There will be a L10 at the 2007 Area6 Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Indyshooter, Going back to your original question. Yes L10, SS, and to a lesser degree Revolver have become politcal footballs endlessly kicked around by the membership, on the forum and among the BOD. The margin of L10 supporters over detractors is razor thin right now and subject to change. There is no way to know at this point whether it will survive or for how long. The A6 director seems squarely in the camp that wishes to do away with the division. While I disagree, he is simply doing what he believes represents the will of the majority among his constituents. IMHO if L10 continues, I can't imagine the Area6 match unilaterally removing it. Some of the L10 shooters may switch divisions, others would likely boycott the match. It would be sure to affect participation and create a lot of ill will ...... for what?. Just to make a political statement? There's no upside to it. I had another point to make but "political" discussions are taboo on this forum so I will simply remind everyone that L10 was created for a reason. We wouldn't be having this debate if not for the sunset of the AWB two years ago. I would wait and see what the future may hold before jumping on the "we have too many divisions" bandwagon. Tls Edited November 21, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Hmm... Been away for almost a year, and it is good to see that the "What to do with L-10" debate is still going on. Seems like we all have the same answer we did 12 months ago. Leave it the Hell Alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) The A6 director seems squarely in the camp that wishes to do away with the division.While I disagree, he is simply doing what he believes represents the will of the majority among his constituents. he's not the only one....look further up the tree. If the Area 6 AD is simply doing what he believes the majority of his constituents want.....does that mean that the USA RD is doing the same? I believe the requirement for PSSD to survive was 8% - 10% participation....is it making that figure anywhere? This 'problem' of too many divisions...may take care of itself. Edited November 21, 2006 by SteveZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Don't know if it is making the 8-10%, but a quick look at the major matches this past year shows that L-10 has had WAY more shooters than S.S. Interesting, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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