38superman Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 (edited) Anyone that has been in this sport for a while can name the top shooters in every division. Most of us can tell you who the best ladies are. If we had a Senior super squad, who would it be? Perhaps one of you historians out there could tell us the highest finish in a Nationals match for this group. Tony Edited October 31, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I'd put Don Bednorsz on the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTOSHootr Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Al Zitta from here in MA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Don Bednorz, Jake Kempton, Kert Gaskill, Jerry Miculek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Perhaps one of you historians out there could tell us the highest finish in a Nationals match for this group. Easy enough to lookup...just pull up past Nationals results from the uspsa webiste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmap Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 How the heck did I forget Miculek? I need more coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Mark Mazzotta, from Rhode Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtr Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Top Super Senior in production at nationals was Lizard Waltzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 Perhaps one of you historians out there could tell us the highest finish in a Nationals match for this group. Easy enough to lookup...just pull up past Nationals results from the uspsa webiste. Probably a good start in the future. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 (edited) Jeez, guys. My post was meant to ask opinions about who the top seniors are. Opinions are something that can't be researched, they can only be solicited. The part about the highest finish was something I asked on a whim. Granted I could have looked it up but I wasn't sure the info on the USPSA site went back far enough to be definative. Now that I have been soundly chastised, I have begrudgingly decided to do my homework. I haven't finished my research yet but what I have found is pretty interesting. When I an done I will post the results for those that may be interested. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have also dialed 411 at times when I could have used the phone book. Tls Edited November 1, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 Okay, the results are in. It seems that the info on the USPSA web site only goes back to 2001. The nationals matches are listed going back to 1995 but up through 2000 only show stages. They didn't give individual results. Therefore, the info goes back 6 years. Open: The highest place for a senior was Rick Byfield at 19th. Don Bednorz was high senior 3 of the last 6 years. This group included Michael Auger and Dennis Bauer. Limited: Highest place ever for a senior was Dick Berkhardt at 17th. Kert Gaskill was high senior for the last 2 years. Kent Leslie, Don Bednorz and Vance Schmid are also in this group. Limited 10: First place was taken by Tom Campbell in 2001. Since that time the highest finish by a senior was Vance Schmid in 2004 at 9th. Vance also won the category in 2002 in 36th place. High senior in L10 includes Scott Warren (2006), Kert Gaskill (2005), and Don Bednorz (2003). Production: Highest finish ever was Tom Kettels at 7th (2002). Tom also won it in 2003. Other winners include Ron Avery at 13th (2006), Scott Warren at 15th (2005), Paul Hendrix 12th (2004) and Randy Cecil at 11th (2001). Revolver: Jerry Miculek is the ongoing champion of this division and has won it as a senior for the past two years. High senior was Dillard Winters at 4th in 2004. It was James Burch at 4th in 2003, Richard Bitowa at 3rd in 2002, and Richard Timberlake at 2nd in 2001. As far as I can tell, no senior has ever broken into the top 16 in the two largest divisions. If anyone can do it, they make IPSC history. The smaller divisions seem to favor the seniors with Tom Cambell as Lim10 champ in '01. However no one has finished L10 higher than 9th in the last 5 years. A senior has broken into the top 10 in production only once. Revolver is a different story. There has been a senior in the top five each of the last 6 years. That's the story. My personal nomination for a senior super squad would be Bill Cochran. Tls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidball Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Very interesting stuff, Tony. Nicely done. Isn't Rob Leathan approaching senior status, within the next 5 years or so? Between he and Mr. Miculek, top senior at the various nationals in several divisions may be something of a foregone conclusion for some time to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 It's kinda a problem that the Seniors and SSrs' change over time, and the most competitive of them are usually the ones that are close to the cutoff. It's like making a 'Top Juniors' list-- after a couple years, they're not Juniors anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Now that I have been soundly chastised, I have begrudgingly decided to do my homework. Sorry TLS, I wasn't meaning to bust you balls. Just providing a resource for the infomation that you requested. Opinions... Ron Avery is the top Senior shooter out there (he just turned senior). At the Production Nationals, he said that Leatham was still about 3 years away. He shot right before me at the Nationals. He is a top shooter...senior or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENE S Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 There are a lot of senion and supper senions that do not shoot the nationals, so you may want to check the area match, then go the local level also. Gene Super Senior (A-0793) now thats a old number.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 1, 2006 Author Share Posted November 1, 2006 (edited) Gene I know there are a lot of seniors out there that don't venture beyond local matches. Some of them are pretty good shooters. The subject of senior performance on the national stage kind of intrigues me. I was already a senior when I started in IPSC at the tender young age of 51. Turned 52 at Pasa Park while shooting in my first nationals. I just wondered who the best seniors are (in the record books and in the minds of the members) and what they have been able to achieve historically. Maybe a senior super squad at the nats wouldn't be such a bad idea. Tony Edited November 3, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Ron Avery is the top Senior shooter out there (he just turned senior). At the Production Nationals, he said that Leatham was still about 3 years away. He shot right before me at the Nationals. He is a top shooter...senior or not. Avery's not a senior... He just played one on TV once . Quite frankly, I hope I can shoot that good some day, regardless of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan W Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) I agree...Avery is the guy - until Rob gets there Edited November 3, 2006 by Bryan W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear23 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I'd Say Don Bednorz. He's been on a roll. 1 week prior to Open Nats. He hit a 700 lb elk on his way home from a trip. Totaled his SUV and he smashed his strong hand terribly. He still finished 20th, or 21st at Open Nats...I gotta give the man credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardschennberg Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Jerry Miculek is a tricky case because he declares Senior for 3-Gun but not for Revolver (HOA or bust). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I realize it's a "provisional" division.... but I noticed no mention of Single Stack. At what the USPSA called the First Single Stack Nationals last year (The Single Stack Classic).... they wouldn't even let shooters declare Senior, Super Senior etc. I hope they get beyond that in '07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Around here, Bednorz has been 'the man' in Senior for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 Around here, Bednorz has been 'the man' in Senior for a long time. I don't know Bednorz, but according to my research he's the only one to ever score high senior in 3 different divisions. If that doesn't make him "the man" I don't know what would. Tls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 (edited) I agree...Avery is the guy - until Rob gets there I think Todd and Rob are the same age, so is Jerry B What a soft division Senior is going to become!!! Edited November 3, 2006 by BSeevers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 I agree...Avery is the guy - until Rob gets there I think Todd and Rob are the same age, so is Jerry B What a soft division Senior is going to become!!! That will be an interesting thing to watch. As perennial champions like Todd and Rob age, how long will they be able to stay a step ahead of young men like Blake Miguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now