kellyn Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 I am now a bit querious. What makes people think that weak hand loading has a "high fumble factor"? If it did, wouldn't I be WAY behind on shotgun stages? Since I can sometimes beat the open guys on a stage or two using weak hand loading while they use speed loaders, wouldn't a high fumble factor completely negate these performances? Or do you all think that this only happens once in a while? My shotgun performance has been very consistent match to match, and I usually win the shotgun portion, if not I am 2-3 NEVER lower. If this was so fumbly, just think how well someone who loads a "different" way would do....oh wait....some people do right now! KURTM Kurt and Religious Shooter make a good points. I don't think that I've ever seen Kurt or Taran pooch up a load during match. Although I have seen it during practice! I do think that the weakhand load is harder to master and unless mastered, it carries with a higher disaster factor, which I have seen happen to many little Kurt/Taran/Eric/Ed/Mike Darby wannabes in matches. They heroically go for the four shells and end with one halfway in the gun, one sticking straight down in their hand, one on the deck and one spiraling throught the air. If you go weakhand be sure to practice it A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKuhn Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) Doesn’t the rest of the definition of the word dexterity have to do with being right handed, if you want to split hairs. Did you ever try to wipe week handed, you don’t because its different, nothing to do with ability but a trained, mussel memory, just like reloading, what if you had only known week handed? And you could free up your strong hand to do something usefull or creative or fun. All this said, for some week is better, may be not for the rest of you. Mell Kuhn Edited September 1, 2006 by MKuhn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 They heroically go for the four shells and end with one halfway in the gun, one sticking straight down in their hand, one on the deck and one spiraling throught the air. If you go weakhand be sure to practice it A LOT. Kelly, have you seen me practicing? Right now, I'm going for 3 shells, the Choate holders are 6 packs. The top shooters that have posted are 100% correct, practice is the key....lot's of it! It's no different than dryfiring, you can do it daily at home. Let the mental malfunctions get to you in other parts of the stage, make the chosen reload method natural. That said, now I'm trying to load my Super X1 like the Benelli....not as quick...but possibilities are there. Practice...practice....practice!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaG Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Is there a link to videos of the various shotgun and rifle reloads? TIA...... DaG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Is there a link to videos of the various shotgun and rifle reloads? Not much available for free. Matt Burkett's PS6 & PS8 DVD's have some good info in them. http://www.burkettvideo.com/ A couple videos showing weakhand and stronghand loading can be seen at www.multigun.com in the video section. Stronghand Loading: http://www.multigun.com/video/kellynstage10.wmv Weakhand Loading: http://www.multigun.com/video/kurtstage10.wmv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Post Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 When using the weak hand loading method, or the Carlock Shuffle which finger pushes the shell into the tube? Loading weak hand I seem to load the first shell with my pinky doing the pushing then somewhere around shell #2 or #3 I'm pushing them in with my thumb. #4 is always with my thumb. I would guess with the Carlock Shuffle you would do all the pushing with the index finger? Seperate question, how do the weak hand loaders handle odd ball reloads when you only want to load 3 or 5 shells in the middle of a course of fire? Thanks George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 I guess what appeals most to me about my simple strong-hand technique is that I don't HAVE to practice constantly to be passably good. I can keep up with the rest of you even though I only shoot my shotgun about a dozen or so times/year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 I use Choate 6 shell holders. I just grab 3 at a time. My planning goes to heck after the buzzer, so, I stuff if I'm moving. I use my thumb to get the shells into the tube. Please note, I'm not an accomplished shotgunner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktyler Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 I struggled with what loading technique to use, so in the off season last year I practiced three different ones for a month and kept records on times. After the three months I looked at my records and it was obvious. I settled on the "neth slide" I can now consitantly hit a popper-load 8-hit another popper in under 7 seconds. I really wanted to make weak hand work but I just couldn't grab 4 shells without fumbling 50% of the time. If I can only grab three I have to make 3 movements to the belt which took away any time advantage I might have gained. Add my fumble factor, I was forced to try a stong, off the side saddle technique. Whatever you settle on practice a lot. And in the off season test out new ideas. Ktyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paule Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Watch for Bennie loading weakhand in the future. I think he's practicing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Watch for Bennie loading weakhand in the future. I think he's practicing NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGDM Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Kelly, I too, have gone to the Dark Side, load the shotgun faster, we will. Kurt, You da man. My Army buddies squared me away at DPMS. Robbie can feed that SG. Note to self, don't try a new loading technique at the match! Use the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli2 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Guy who won ESC loaded using style similiar to Neth, also shot like a maniac, so I would have to say it is competitive, but it all works if its practiced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 What is required here in not "Practice" so much as "Effortful Study", as noted in a recent study, the results of which are discussed in last months Scientific American. The article is about what it takes to make an expert at something. The end result it seems is that 10 years of Effortful Study" is the pre-requisite for being really good at anything. "Study" translates to "Doing" 100%. Ask anyone who is world class at something specific how long AND how intensely they have been doing "that thing" and I think I know what the answer will be ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paule Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 "George", I must be doing my studies more effortlessly than I should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 I've deleted all the "off topic" posts and opened this thread back up. Let me know if you guys see any more blatant trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAWN CARLOCK Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 George, The shells are all pushed in with the thumb. The big trouble most people have is grabbing and holding the shells correctly. Lay 4 shells in your loading hand, put the first one between the tip of the pinky and index fingers, lay the other 3 against the first and capture them with your thumb, now with the gun in position use your 2 middle fingers to push the first shell down and your thumb to push forward, as you pull you hand back to load the next shell use your EZ Loader to streighten the next shell out and push it with your thumb, repeat until empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Post Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Shawn, Thank you for confirming that you use the thumb to push the shells in. I tried using my index finger then my thumb and thumb was better. The real cool part of this method was using the back stroke to line up the next shell, Thanks again George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAWN CARLOCK Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 George and all, I have had a ton of email about the shell holders. They are available from holstersplus.com starting on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 FYI Nothing yet http://holstersplus.com/default.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAWN CARLOCK Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Call them and talk to Bill he dropped some by the shop yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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