SHAWN CARLOCK

I have built several 700 LA in 338LM. I use the HS Precision detachable boix mag on them they feed very well. Even the Remington LE section now produces a 700 338 LM for military and LE. I don't know about the AI mags running the LM's on the 700 kit but they will not run a 300 Ultra out of the 300 win mag. They may run the LM but I have not built one that way.

Call them and talk to Bill he dropped some by the shop yesterday.

PK, A great topic. I love my bolt guns but I'll run what needs to be run to win. I am fine with autos in MOR and renaming it Precision rifle. My only concern is that it could degrade into a repeate of the 3 gun version of multiple rifle stages.

OK, if we need an affordable entry affordable entry class in MOR make it production in that 10,000 or more units have been produced. This would allow you to buy a varmint special for 600.00 glass it and go play. Also make production specific to bolt rifles and allow autos in open. Personely I think not having to enter shoot and own 3 more guns for the 3 gun match would boost attendance more than a cheeper division to get into. Carl Carbon ran a precision rifle match last year at club level and had to turn people away. He had twice as many people as the nationals. The big thing was a large portion of the people were not USPSA members. I think there is a bolt rifle crowd that while not yet interested in 3 gun or pistol are untapped as potential members.

George and all, I have had a ton of email about the shell holders. They are available from holstersplus.com starting on Monday.

I see both sides of the street from a practical standpoint. Precision autos have their place in the field and precision bolt rifles have theirs. The question is of course about competition. I to feel USPSA should change the event to precision rifle. Precision rifle is all encompassing, speed is an issue, but high reloading round counts are typically not. I feel the precision rifleman trying to hone a skill set should be looking at close targets small, partial, usually moving and with high disaster factor for a miss. I also feel that the PR should be prepared to shoot extended distances. I am not the least bit against letting autos in what is now called MOR. That being said USPSA would need to be very careful to not let precision rifle turn into a tactical/open rifle match. I don't think we need more divisions, my god we have enough classes to choke a horse as is. If uspsa allows autos to run in "MOR" they will rule the roost in 95% of the stages of the past Nationals even if limited to 5 rounds capacity. You can make USPSA scoring work for MOR, you can level the playing field by stage design quite a bit, but the real questions is do we want to shoot MOR or Precision Rifle. I'm in it either way.

George, The shells are all pushed in with the thumb. The big trouble most people have is grabbing and holding the shells correctly. Lay 4 shells in your loading hand, put the first one between the tip of the pinky and index fingers, lay the other 3 against the first and capture them with your thumb, now with the gun in position use your 2 middle fingers to push the first shell down and your thumb to push forward, as you pull you hand back to load the next shell use your EZ Loader to streighten the next shell out and push it with your thumb, repeat until empty.

About the spotting misses. I was saying when you can't effectivle spot those misses the 260 is an advantage because the allows twice the error of a 308 and still hit the plate. If you miss a wind condition and just hit the very edge of a plate with a 260 the 308 would have missed the edge by 4 or 5 inches. Thi syear no one could spot their misses, this made knowing how to dope and setup for the variable wind conditions what the stage was all about. What I suggested and have done myself in the past is to put an IPSC noshoot with no head behind the plate and paint the splash guard white. This leaves a white rectangle around the black plate with a border of 4 inches around the plate. If the background is dirt you can most of the time see bullet impact splash out from the side of the no shoot. The thing to do is to shoot an iron sighted rifle at them and trim down the backer as small as posssible but still have good definition for the iron sighted guys. About staying away from the AI versions. My personel feeling is that fireforming brass is a pain in the ass. For me I just don't think it is worth the relatively small performance gain. I would much rather throw factory 260 brass in my Dillon pump it out and practice more. There is no doubt thet the AI version has more velocity I just don't think it is worth the trouble. It is not like it is a performance gap like the 260 vs 308 if it was I would do it in a heatrbeat Muzzlebrakes, a must for most MOR matches ( some other matches don't allow them ). With a brake it is quite easy to watch you hit or miss and shooting multiple targets from one position is much smoother especially from a simi supported position. R&R targets - I made a sepperate splash guard frame to isolate the guard from the target frame it works great.

The 260 has every advantage over the 308. Take the courses at this years MOR Nationals. You could not spot your misses if you had them. The wind was gusty. You could walk rounds into the wind until you hit a target but that was slow. The 260 drifts almost exactly 1/2 as much in the wind as the 308. I believe that mechinical advantage in windage is worth alot. The 260 vs. 243/115gr is kind of a wash balisticaly. Barrel life will be quite a bit shorter in the 243. Most guys will be happy with either the 243 or the 260, I would stay away from the AI version of either, I don't believe that the small performance gain is worth the trouble.

I would assume that since this is the MOR section that you would want this rifle for MOR events. On my Rem 700 MOR rifle I use a Hart, 26", Sendero (5.5 taper), 1-8 twist, for my 260 Remington. It is about the rightweight & length for MOR matches and shoots exceptionaly well ( I have shot a couple of groups under 2" @ 600 yards with it and a pile under 1" @ 300 yards ). I shoot the 140 Hornady Amax and have shot the 142 gr SMK and moth are great perfomers. Shawn Carlock gunsmith@defensiveedge.net

I just got ahold of the Nightforce 1-4 NXS, FC2 reticule. The one I have is a preproduction prototype but the finished product should be available by the first of the year. The reticule specs work well for 3 gun hold overs at ranges out 500 yards if one should encounter the odd range past 300. The CQB abilities are great it is a true 1x and does not suck you into the scope at close range. The reticule is standard black but is also illuminated red by battery power. One other advantage it has over the lesser expensive scopes is truly repeatable target knobs that are low profile this will allow a change of zero for specific courses. They are bomb proof and will retail for 1150.00. I will have it at the Area 1 3 gun in September if anyone there would like to check it out.

I cut the EZ loader down for several reasons, 1. It is the location that lines out the next round when I drag it back across to load. 2. You dont catch your thumb on it when the shell snaps in. 3. The roll pin life is increased by about double from less weight flipping up and down at the end of the loader. 4. It does not hang as low below the gun to hang up on stuff. The most important part of the technique is grabing the shells smoothly and consistantly, Eric is right if you blow the grab you might as well eject them. I spent considerable time just practicing the grab. Here is the part I think did not get across to people effectively. When you grab the shells put your pinky on one side of the shell holder and index finger on the other, ring and the "your number 1 finger" come up the middle to pull the shells out to be captured. The thumb starts out behind the shell carrier, as the first 3 shells come out, they are captured between the index and thumb, the 4th shell is captured between the index tip and pinky tip. The 4th shell is held on the ends by the finger tips unlike the rest. When you get the shells to the gun like this the first shell between the thumb and pinky is the first one in, as soon as it gets to the EZ loader it is pressed from the the thumb/pinky by the 2 middle fingers and slid forward bt the thumb tip now you have the 3 captured shells in hand and are forward of the loading port, slide the next shell back over the EZ loader to line it out with the loading port. When the front of the shell clears the front of the port slide it in with down pressure coming from the leading edge of the hand and repeat until empty. I will try to figure out a way to get a picture on here because I think this is where people are having trouble. If you think this might be your problem try the technique with 3 shells, if it works much better with 3 it is probably the grasp of the 4th shell that is bitting you. I also tried to grap clusters of shells (5) in circular method total failure for me time and fumble wise. Hope this helps.

Erik, Come by the shop and I'll get my Swarovski out of the drag bag and let you use it. It is on a planet all by itself in the world of range finders. Yes, the price is hard to swallow but having had one now I would pay more if I had to to get the performance it provides. It will day in and day out range over 1500 in crappy conditions and over 2k in good conditions.

I have shot MOR events, sniper matches, LEO rifle matches etc. all with my .260. I shoot H4350 and 140 gr, @ 2860 fps out of a 26" Hart tube. This load allows me to ring gongs at 1150 yards, it will flash a MGM @ over 1000 yards, it will flash the R&R targets at 1150, I have not tried the MGM or the R&R past that distance. I have been shooting a .260 in competition for 4+ years now and I don't think you can beat the combo for these type of matches. Last years MOR nationals 3 of the top 5 shot .260's. It is a serious advantage over a 308 no mater what load you use in the 308. Do not hesitate to build yourself one. Shawn

THE SLIDE SEEMS TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE WHEN LOADING OFF THE GUN WITH EITHER SIDE SADDLE OR FOREARM SADDLE. 3 GUN GEAR IS PRODUCING A SIDE SADDLE WITH THE SHELLS ANGLED TOWARD THE SHOOTER, THIS WILL MAKE THE SLIDE A MORE CONSISTANT TECHNIQUE. THE SLIDE HAS SOME REAL TACTICAL ADVANTAGES, YOU CAN LOAD AND STILL MAINTAIN SOME VISION DOWN RANGE NOT JUST AT THE GROUND IN FRONT OF YOU, IT IS EASIER TO LOAD AND MOVE, AND PISTOL TRANSITIONS WHILE MAINTAINING CONTROL OF THE SHOTGUN ARE GREAT