Nemo Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Ouch! Wish you fast recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 I so glad you're all right. That could have been ugly around the face. I was shooting 124gr JHPs at about 1400fps. I think that prop was removed from the range while I was transported to the ER. Everyone seems to always want to blame the steel. I suggest you blame the JHP. An FMJ or a cast lead bullet is far less likely to inflict that kind of wound. Your JHP turned into a Ninja Star. Texas Steel had a similar incident, and everyone got on a minor power factor only kick. I submit the danger is in the JHP, not the power factor or the steel. Again Sharyn, we're all really glad you're OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggie dad Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hi Sharyn, Glad you survived and in good spirits. These things happen infrequently, but are scary none the less. I got hit in the hand by a .45 that had done a 180 in a steel rim that was supporting a very low to the ground plate. Felt like someone hit me will a ball peen hammar. I thougth it shattered a bone in my hand, but fortunately only turned out to be a bone bruse and laceration, no fragment left behind. Stay safe out there. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carinab Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Wow Sharyn! Glad to hear you'll come away with only a minor scar for a good war story. It really does reinforce the lesson of wearing GOOD shooting glasses that are impact resistant because you never know when something will bounce back and smack you one right in the face. It happened to me once when I was RO'ing. The target was a slightly curved pepper popper at 12 yds. Shooter was using 230gn ball .45. He broke the shot and it felt like someone punched me in the chest. I fully expected to look down and see myself blowing bubbles. Turns out the splashback (round with jagged edges and the size of a silver dollar) hit me flat rather then turned on it's edge. I had a bruise the size of a tea saucer. Scared the bejeezes out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I was shooting 124gr JHPs at about 1400fps. I think that prop was removed from the range while I was transported to the ER. Everyone seems to always want to blame the steel. I suggest you blame the JHP. An FMJ or a cast lead bullet is far less likely to inflict that kind of wound. Your JHP turned into a Ninja Star. Texas Steel had a similar incident, and everyone got on a minor power factor only kick. I submit the danger is in the JHP, not the power factor or the steel. Again Sharyn, we're all really glad you're OK. In my experience JHPs splatter better-- the chunks that come off are sharper, but go less far. FMJ's have a habit of coming back in bigger pieces that go further.. six of one, half a dozen of the other.. IIRC the FBI recommends shooting steel with JHPs over 1200 FPS or so for least chance of injury. Couple good articles, including one of the dangers of obstructions to the splatter path: http://www.actiontarget.com/pdf/The_Truth_...eel_Targets.pdf http://www.policeone.com/police-products/t...articles/67903/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) IME, most of the splashbacks I've been nailed with have been from cratered steel or ammo on the lower end of the power spectrum. And I got nailed by a splashback like Carina did a couple years ago. Scared the holy hell out of me. I took the better part of a 45 slug right on top of my liver. I was actually afraid to look down because I thought for sure I was going to be needing an emergency room. And yeah, I know freak accidents occur, but I've shot at least 10K at my homebuilt plate rack now and I've never so much as been grazed by splashback. Good design and maintenance go a long way toward shooter safety. I think clubs really need to take a critical look at their steel with an eye toward eliminating ricochet paths back to the shooter. You don't even need armor plate for pistol rounds. The splash plate on my rack is 3/8" cold roll angled at 45 deg. and it looks practically new. So, there are big dividends to be had even with humble means. E Edited June 6, 2006 by EricW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Sharyn I am glade you are all right. I now know not to stand near you or my Shea at a steel match. She got hit again the other day just not near as bad her last match. I had a steel match this weekend and Shea and I walked all the steel before the match. I hope you are feeling better! Shea said cool, 5 stitches that was her luckey number also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 This is the reason why i'm solid and religious about fmj bullets!!! banned those hollowpoint! they shoot fragments back! hope you feel better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 (edited) Guys I don't know where you’re getting your info on HP's. I have been frag'd less with HP than I ever had with FMJ. I shoot a lot of steel! It was an FMJ from my daughter’s gun that tore her finger open! I would much rather have a whole bunch of little pieces chasing me down than the whole piece. Once again Sharyn I am glade you’re all right. When it happen to Shea my greatest fear was what if that would have hit her in the neck! Un-like your frag Shea’s bone stopped it from going any deeper. Edited June 6, 2006 by MarkS_A18138 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I have been frag'd less with HP than I ever had with FMJ. The copper jacket is far more likely to separate from a JHP than from a FMJ which I would say almost never happens and it's the sharp jagged copper shards that do the most harm. Perhaps it would be appropriate for a mod to split this off to a more appropriate thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbadaboom Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I have a 1/4" square piece of jacket embedded in the bone in my right inner leg just below the knee. I was standing, watching shooters when something hit my leg (A ballpeen hammer is the same analogy I used) and about knocked it out from under me. It came off a badly pitted 8" plate about 40 yards from where I was standing. My sock was solid red by the time I looked down. It bled like crazy. I bandaged it, finished the match, and then went to the Emergency room and got it stitched up. My Orthopedic Dr. took X-Rays and showed the piece but didn't want to remove it due to it being close to the knee and it's so embedded in the bone that it's very unlikely that it will ever move on its own. The thing that really sucks is that it only left a little 4 stitch scar that you can barely see so I didn't even get the "Scars are cool" style points out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharyn Posted June 9, 2006 Author Share Posted June 9, 2006 i'd bet a big plate of steamed crab legs would make it feel better mmmmm... crab... my favorite! Crab'll make just about anything better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 I had the same thing happen to me on several occasions. I wasn't even on the same range! Gives new meaning to minimum target distance. One was this guy that always shoots steel spinners. I HATE those things, they spray crap every where. Other guys I have had encounters with where the full auto guys that shoot steel at about 30-40 yards with a frickin 308 FAL carbine! They just show up to to spray lead everywhere! I am suprised there are not more problems. I have one MGM mini auto popper. I always angle it slightly away from the line. I have a couple of those newbold plastic targets that do just as good job as steel. I am going to build a cheap plate rack out of them. Hope the scars heal well Sharyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJPoLo Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Crab'll make just about anything better! Mmmm... Crab legs... Glad you're OK, Sharyn. -Chet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 Those arent crab "legs" .................. they're THIGHS! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Those arent crab "legs" .................. they're THIGHS! :P Tomato.....Tomahto. They look good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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