paranoid Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 (edited) http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/cm99-32.pdf I was wondering what your opinion is on "par time" classifiers. Edited September 9, 2013 by sperman Fixed Broken Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 I think the key may be to know your abilities ahead of time. Most shooters try to get all the shoots in...which leads to misses. The big dogs know what their split times are at various distances. They know if they can hit all the targets in the required amount of time. If not...they just shoot what they can get. me...I don't have that much range time under my belt. I would simply look to my sights and let them control my shooting. I'd try to call every shoot...I'd try to forget the timer. I'd get the points that I saw. (Sounds good anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 In my very limited experience hits on a no-shoot are the killer here. Just shoot as many perfectly accurate shots as you can in the time allowed. The people who are blazing fall into two categories: A-GM shooters who can do it and people who are going to have lower value hits or worse, hits on no-shoots. Of course there are no no-shoots here. If in the time alotted you could shoot either 5 Cs or 3 As, i'd recommend trying for three As because I think you'll be less likely to miss a target completely on the transition. And 3 As beats 4 Cs and a miss or a D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 21, 2002 Share Posted February 21, 2002 Shoot only As on fixed time stages. Don't rush most of your shots just so you can get in the last shot or two before the buzzer. If the par time is generous for your skill level, make good use of the extra available time by having a good sight picture and a nice trigger pull, and by being smooth on the draw and reloads. Pace yourself so you do not finish more than a half-second under par. Fixed time stages are not contests to see who can get in all the required shots, they are contests to see who can score the most points on the targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid Posted February 21, 2002 Author Share Posted February 21, 2002 Quote: from Erik Warren on 5:26 pm on Feb. 20, 2002 Shoot only As on fixed time stages. Don't rush most of your shots just so you can get in the last shot or two before the buzzer. If the par time is generous for your skill level, make good use of the extra available time by having a good sight picture and a nice trigger pull, and by being smooth on the draw and reloads. Pace yourself so you do not finish more than a half-second under par. Fixed time stages are not contests to see who can get in all the required shots, they are contests to see who can score the most points on the targets. We shot this classifier a couple of months ago and your approach is the one I used.I am a mid C-class limited shooter right now and finished 2nd overall on this stage out of 20+ limited competitiors,my percentage was only 67% IIRC.I was really surprised at how the better shooters blew this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Bagoly Posted February 22, 2002 Share Posted February 22, 2002 Timed fire is the "Bonus Round" Your goal is to walk away from the stage with as many points as you can keep. This attitude worked great for me at the 2000 Limiteds, but I lost it in 2001, and blew the standards big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted July 21, 2002 Share Posted July 21, 2002 Holy Cow! If my math is correct, the (open) HHF on this thing is only 125 points. We shot it today and my 80%-self got all the shots but one off in plenty of time (icky draw), and 110 points. I was expecting a bunch of people could probably clean it, with a HHF around 150. Maybe nobody ever shoots it because it's 4 strings with different time limits on each string, as well as strong-hand / weak-hand, but it's gotta be a grandbagger's delight. (Edited by shred at 1:30 pm on July 22, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 Case in point (these are Limited scores, and there aren't any more scores over 62% in the thirty or more classifiers this now-B's got): 08/17/02 99-03 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 62.908 Y 08/27/02 07/21/02 99-32 ALPHA MIKE SHOOTERS 84.000 Y 08/27/02 07/20/02 99-15 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 34.093 B 08/05/02 07/20/02 99-48 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 59.408 Y 08/05/02 07/20/02 99-22 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 14.485 B 08/05/02 07/20/02 99-28 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 44.110 F 08/05/02 07/13/02 99-61 AUSTIN LONE STAR P.P.C. 11.704 B 07/19/02 05/19/02 99-10 ALPHA MIKE SHOOTERS 47.079 Y 07/02/02 05/18/02 99-53 CENTRAL TEXAS RIFLE & PISTOL 54.178 Y 06/04/02 (Edited by shred at 7:54 pm on Sep. 12, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted September 13, 2002 Share Posted September 13, 2002 I'm curious how your clubs ran this one with all the different par times. Separate timers? Reset a single timer for each string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Bagoly Posted September 14, 2002 Share Posted September 14, 2002 Same timer, just make sure you set the right par time for each string. The good timers are easy to set/change the par time. Try Bianchi type Action Pistol, you will get a lot of practice setting par times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid Posted September 14, 2002 Author Share Posted September 14, 2002 we used 4 seperate timers ...like i said earlier,I was quite surprised at how the better shooters failed to clean this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Shot this one today in the blowing cold. I shot the match with a borrowed open gun to get my 4th classifier in, then shot my G35 for another good classifier (hopefully) I got 114 pts with the open gun, got all my shots in and only 1 D. I couldn't remember if I needed to unload and show clear first or celebrate. Worked the math out and that looks like a 91.2% for me! Only got 93 pts with the G35, but I'll take it! Can't believe I fumbled every draw and the reload with the Glock, but I still got all my shots off and no misses. Not enough either way to get me to A class, but I'm creeping that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 I shot this one for the first time today... how do you figure the HHF? My score was a 103 pts, which was an 83% for the match?!?!?! It won't go into USPSA at that will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snokid Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Kathy 82.4% Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Sweet Kath, way to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Holy cow - thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 Limited 116 pts Limited 10 113 pts Knowing your par times really helps on this one, I heard the buzzer right after each of my last shots on the 1st 3 strings. Weakhand I still had about a second left. The weakhand D's killed me though, I should have took more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 I shot this one in April at NCPS with my dyslexic open gun (it jammed on every stage EXCEPT the classifier). I dropped a total of 4 points, 1 Cee and 1 Dee on the weakhand string. That came in at 96.80% I told James (Hot Booty) Ong to beat that, so of course he did. One point down which earned him a 99.20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Shot this one up at Area 3. My best classifier ever. 91.2%. Not bad for a mid-level B class shooter I thought. That was with 5 penalty points for the shot that broke 0.03 seconds over the limit on the second string. Don't go to fast, and get your hits on this one. Of course go 0.03 faster than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 TriggerT, I hope you mean .03 over the .30 allowable overtime. (E.g., 4.80 is OK on the 4.5 second string, but 4.83 is a penalty.) The rules allow this three-tenths over the par time for you to react to the buzzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Erik, "That is correct sir." Yeah, the darn shot broke at 6.33, when the allowed time was 6.0. Cost me enough points to knock me out of 3rd in Lim-10 B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4045 Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Shot this one Sun and got 108 points. Shot it in limited. Guess it will be my best one yet. Had one miss, but got all shots in time. Drawing my new STI out of my Glock holster. Haven't got a chance to order a Ghost or Limcat yet. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 So...each point down is worth -0.8 (from 100%), nationally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Flexmoney, that would appear to be correct. I shot this with 119 points, less my 5 point over time shot, for 114 points. Like I said, got 91.2% on the USPSA classifier data base, so the math works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerpresser Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I'm curious how your clubs ran this one with all the different par times. Separate timers? Reset a single timer for each string? We shot this yesterday. We used four timmer also. I wish I had read this post before trying to shoot this. I tried to get all my shots in. I'd like to go back and do this one over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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