IHAVEGAS Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Was at a major last week & the legality of a shooters holster was challenged because it had about a 1" spacer (by my scientifically calibrated eyeball) and is not what many would think of as 'suitable for concealed carry'. The shooter paid the $100 for arbitration and won, and got his $100 back. I am now entirely confused. If we can space the holsters away from the hip like we do for USPSA I want that advantage also. Does anyone understand the correct way to determine whether or not a holster fits IDPA regulations in regards to "suitable for all day concealed carry"? Ref: 8.5.1.1 Must be suitable for all day concealed carry or duty style holsters and worn on each stage regardless of the start position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 The RHT dropped and offset is a no go according to our local AC or whatever his title is. I've gone back to a race holster for USPSA, but for IDPA with a cover garment, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to chase the holster advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, RangerTrace said: The RHT dropped and offset is a no go according to our local AC or whatever his title is. I've gone back to a race holster for USPSA, but for IDPA with a cover garment, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to chase the holster advantage. I tried my USPSA holster for the hell of it and it was hard to clear cover garment with that set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 14 hours ago, RangerTrace said: I've gone back to a race holster for USPSA, but for IDPA with a cover garment, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to chase the holster advantage. I don’t know that it is a thing that would ever show up in my score, but I do like to get ocd and tweak things just so, and it would just be nice to have a clear understanding of what is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: I don’t know that it is a thing that would ever show up in my score, but I do like to get ocd and tweak things just so, and it would just be nice to have a clear understanding of what is legal. IDPA has never had clear rules with a national standard... It has always been a match by match determination on pretty much everything. Just the way it is. In this case we see a shooter, a SO, higher match staff, you, Rangers AC, and members of an arbitration committee all looking at the same rule and coming up with different answers.. as you mentioned though.. The vast majority of these things dont matter on the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 21 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: Ref: 8.5.1.1 Must be suitable for all day concealed carry or duty style holsters and worn on each stage regardless of the start position. IDPA don't abide by their own rules or founding concepts, I did see that they change the concepts a few years ago. They haven't written a rulebook that makes sense, they keep changing it, plus they are using writers that haven' a clue how to write a rulebook. You get what you pay for. AFAIC it's all about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 I didn't realize they'd removed the 3/4" dowel rule for distance from belt. I agree that there is so much subjectivity in the rules it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, ddc said: so much subjectivity in the rules Maybe I could just use what I want but tell the equipment check guy that my holster self identifies as being good for concealed carry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, ddc said: I didn't realize they'd removed the 3/4" dowel rule for distance from belt. I agree that there is so much subjectivity in the rules it's ridiculous. There has been since the Tiger Teams and it has gotten worse. 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: Maybe I could just use what I want but tell the equipment check guy that my holster self identifies as being good for concealed carry? I just about fell over when I saw this. Too funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 i made 1/2" spacers and a thigh pad for my IDPA holsters and I've made it through equipment check at 2 Level IV matches. They questioned it and got the MD involved but he said it was good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I think the rule now is no more than 3" from the belt to the outside of the holster body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) This is the 2024 update: 8.5.1.6 Outside the waist holsters must carry the firearm in a neutral (vertical) or muzzle rear cant and may not protrude more than 3" (7.62cm) out from the shooter's body as measured from the front of the holster. The rear or vertical cant angle be no more than 15 degrees. I haven't seen it put into practice at a major yet so I don't know if they're measuring at the beltline or whatever part of your body is closest. To phrase it differently - my tactical chub means I could probably run a drop offset but I'm not going to risk it. I actually had to take all of my holsters off of QLS forks as they all started to push the 3" limit. Edited February 9 by matteekay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I'm a little curious about how they are going to determine the 3" as "measured from the front of the holster". Furthermore what does "front of the holster" really mean? I asked a couple of shooters at a practice match yesterday and got a different answer from everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 14 minutes ago, matteekay said: This is the 2024 update: 8.5.1.6 Outside the waist holsters must carry the firearm in a neutral (vertical) or muzzle rear cant and may not protrude more than 3" (7.62cm) out from the shooter's body as measured from the front of the holster. The rear or vertical cant angle be no more than 15 degrees. I haven't seen it put into practice at a major yet so I don't know if they're measuring at the beltline or whatever part of your body is closest. To phrase it differently - my tactical chub means I could probably run a drop offset but I'm not going to risk it. I actually had to take all of my holsters off of QLS forks as they all started to push the 3" limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 That picture is from the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, dtuns said: That picture is from the rule book. Sure, but that looks like a measurement taken from the inner edge of the belt and not necessarily from the shooter's body. Which is fine, but as always... if that's what they wanted then they could have just said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 23 hours ago, matteekay said: Sure, but that looks like a measurement taken from the inner edge of the belt and not necessarily from the shooter's body. Which is fine, but as always... if that's what they wanted then they could have just said that. A well written rulebook would cure all/most of their issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, RePete said: A well written rulebook would cure all/most of their issues. And putting in a bit of thought on the rule concepts. As written above "my tactical chub means I could probably run a drop offset" , so now we have different holster requirements based on sex and appetite discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 10 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: so now we have different holster requirements based on sex and appetite discipline. It's glandular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 6 hours ago, matteekay said: It's glandular. Something you never hear while standing in line at the salad bar . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 11 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: Something you never hear while standing in line at the salad bar . It was a joke, but boy, I bet you're a hoot at parties. Salad bar parties, evidently...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 I had intended for my comment to be taken as a joke as well, I had assumed you were kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matteekay Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, IHAVEGAS said: I had intended for my comment to be taken as a joke as well, I had assumed you were kidding Ah! In that case, pass the butter and let's get this party started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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