Mathew Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) Hello and thanks for looking. I'm interested in doing some of the following things to my Glock and I want to make sure they are legal for production before I do them. 1. Can I add a extended mag release to a G19 or G17? 2. Can I add an extended slide lock to a G19 or G17? 3. Can I modify my trigger at all? Can I drop in a trigger setup like the one from http://www.triggerkit.com? 4. Can I use 17 round magazines while shooitng a G19? 5. I know I can add grip tape to my frame, is there any limit to how much I can layer? Say if I wanted to add 3 or 4 layers to the bottom to force my hand up on the grip? 6. Are fiber optic sights legal? 7. Can I use a Plug in the bottom of the frame like this one? http://www.gunaccessories.com/GlockAccesso...aPlug/index.asp 8. What is the air speed velocity of an un-laden swallow? Thanks! -Mathew Edited December 22, 2005 by Mathew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobert1 Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) Of those that I am sure of: #4 Yes - just be sure there are only 10 in mag at the buzzer #6 Yes - Fiber sights are popular and legal #7 NO #8 24 miles an hour for a European Swallow that is Hows that ? Edited December 22, 2005 by bobert1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 The bottom frame plug is a 'no no'...... I am also not sure why you'd want the G17 mags anyway, since you are limited to 10 rnds. in mag for production.....Fiber optic is fine, Trigger kit is fine== I'm pretty sure the rest of them will be answered by others shortly.....(except maybe the swallow one ) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hello and thanks for looking. I'm interested in doing some of the following things to my Glock and I want to make sure they are legal for production before I do them. 1. Can I add a extended mag release to a G19 or G17? 2. Can I add an extended slide lock to a G19 or G17? 3. Can I modify my trigger at all? Can I drop in a trigger setup like the one from http://www.triggerkit.com? 4. Can I use 17 round magazines while shooitng a G19? 5. I know I can add grip tape to my frame, is there any limit to how much I can layer? Say if I wanted to add 3 or 4 layers to the bottom to force my hand up on the grip? 6. Are fiber optic sights legal? 7. Can I use a Plug in the bottom of the frame like this one? http://www.gunaccessories.com/GlockAccesso...aPlug/index.asp 8. What is the air speed velocity of an un-laden swallow? Thanks! -Mathew From what I understand.. 1. Yes..if it is the Glock part that is on the G34 2. Yes..if it is the Glock part that is on the G34 3. Yes 4. No 5. ??, never seen that one asked before. 6. Yes..as long as it keeps a notch and post configuration. 7. No..welcome to open if you do. 8. European or African?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted December 22, 2005 Author Share Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) What I mean is. I would want to use Glock 17 mags in the G19. I would NOT put more then 10 rounds in them. I assume I was understood and the answer is still no. Thanks, -Mathew Edited December 22, 2005 by Mathew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 22, 2005 Share Posted December 22, 2005 I would say that the 17 mags are not allowed in the 19 since they, in effect, would be an extended base pad. The grip tape, I'm also not sure on. I know under IPSC rules they were very strict about where the tape was and was not. They were also picky that it not change the shape of the grip. If you're planning to change the shape of the grip with the tape, like it sounds you're planning you're probably not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted December 23, 2005 Author Share Posted December 23, 2005 I would say that the 17 mags are not allowed in the 19 since they, in effect, would be an extended base pad. The grip tape, I'm also not sure on. I know under IPSC rules they were very strict about where the tape was and was not. They were also picky that it not change the shape of the grip. If you're planning to change the shape of the grip with the tape, like it sounds you're planning you're probably not legal. Thanks for all the help guys. #1 is my only major concern. The others are just a bonus. Now I just need to find a nice cheap Glock 17 Gen 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 9. What is your favorite color? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 9. What is your favorite color? (LOL) yellow... no...blue. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted December 23, 2005 Author Share Posted December 23, 2005 GeorgeInNePa, Nice avatar/sig. Here's my old one (my creation) -Mathew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 Mathew, Neat, I like that one. I stole my avatar from ar15.com, I don't even remember who I robbed. I changed my sig a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy87Guy Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 (edited) For those of you who answered "no" to #4 (G17 mags in the G19), can you point me toward an appropriate section of the rules that prohibit it? Remember, there is no restriction in Production on magazine length....and there is nothing in the rules that requires a competitor to use OEM magazines ever. It only says "Magazines and speed loading devices must comply with the provisions of the relevant Division." (Rule 5.5.2) Thanks. Jim Edited December 28, 2005 by Navy87Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Jim the way you state that it sounds like i could use Glock 33 round mags or my beretta 20 round mag... Honestly I can see your side of the idea. it's just like using a 34 mag release in a 17. However with the portrusion i can see complaints at large matches. Local i would let you run it. It doesn't really give any competitive advantage. as i have done it because i didn't havee enough 19 mags. I can't state a rule on this one, probabally because no one's asked yet Grip tape and rubber Grip sleves are OK. but if you want a bigger grip, i would get a bigger gun. if the gun does not fit you now, it never will no matter how much grip tape. I also had that problem which is why i don't shoot my Glock 17 any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Jim the way you state that it sounds like i could use Glock 33 round mags or my beretta 20 round mag... ... I made that point myself on the USPSA's own forum some months back. The simple definition of US Production in the rulebook is : 8 Maximum magazine length No9 Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, 10 rounds loaded maximum in any magazine after the start signal. So, yes, you COULD ram a 33-round Glock 18 stick into your Glock 19 and shoot production, as long as you only loaded 10 rounds (+1 if LAMR'ing with it). Probably not what they intended, but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 probably best to get one of the those NROI decisions and print it for your bag..since the rule is not clear.. in IPSC production..it would be specifically denied... probably on a local level a club might let you shoot that way with the explanation you don't have enough G19 mags.. on a area or national level you may find yourself in open and spending a $100 bill in arbitration.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Items 8 and 9 of the US Production specification seem to cover it all. What other rules can we specifically point to to say you couldn't use a 17 or an 18 magazine in a 19? If they're going to toss you into open, they need to be able to point to specific controlling regs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisha Lowry Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I believe the grip tape is ok...I know guys that use Agrip in production. Don't believe the extended mag release and slide release are legal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Don't believe the extended mag release and slide release are legal though. Amidon ruled, that since Glock makes 'em available as factory options, they're legal, as long as you use the Glock manufactured parts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coog Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Don't believe the extended mag release and slide release are legal though. Amidon ruled, that since Glock makes 'em available as factory options, they're legal, as long as you use the Glock manufactured parts..... Does that mean that you can use the factory glock +2 base pads in production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Marques Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 good question-I know Beretta base pads are allowed. Nik-you're pretty good with the rules-I'm too lazy to look it up As far as the extended mag release goes....I think the Aro-tek is the only non-OEM that looks like the OEM-and last I remember it was like 20 plus bucks in Brownells-more than twice the price of the Glock part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Here's your stupid question of the day to add to this discussion: are Bo-Mar low mount sights allowed? I'm wondering since they require some milling to the slide to fit properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Don't believe the extended mag release and slide release are legal though. Amidon ruled, that since Glock makes 'em available as factory options, they're legal, as long as you use the Glock manufactured parts..... Does that mean that you can use the factory glock +2 base pads in production? I'm betting he'd make the no added weight basepads argument to shoot that proposal down ---- and that would likely be the same interpretation used to deny a G17 mag in a G19..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Yep, Bo-Mars are okay in USPSA, not in IPSC. At least not in IPSC for the set you have to machine the slide for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 For IPSC go to: http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=2140 It says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madone Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Just a quick recap to see if anyone ever followed through with the NROI letter on the 17 mags in a 19. I have a 34 that I plan on shooting in production this year..and was wondering if I could use my 19 as backup with my mags from my 34 instead of buying more 19 mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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