RangerTrace Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 I asked Bruce to build me a complete P320 top end to match the performance of my Lockwood pistol. We went with the Modern Classic serrations on this one as well as their newest generation of barrels. Bruce also tuned and installed their competition trigger on my Legion FCU. It's sitting on a small stock TXG grip module here, but Alma Cole is doing his silicon carbide treatment on the TXG legion grip I already had. Now to test them at the range to see which one becomes my primary match gun and which is the backup/practice gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1207 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Great looking guns! I'm interested in what your comparison yields. I bought a Lockwood top recently and sent the gun to TSA for a trigger job. Someone told me that the Lockwood tops like higher pf loads. I'm hoping to shoot regular 130pf factory stuff. Ranger, what pf do you run in your Lockwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robchavous Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Nice. I keep adding one of these top ends to my cart whenever they come in stock, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, jt1207 said: Great looking guns! I'm interested in what your comparison yields. I bought a Lockwood top recently and sent the gun to TSA for a trigger job. Someone told me that the Lockwood tops like higher pf loads. I'm hoping to shoot regular 130pf factory stuff. Ranger, what pf do you run in your Lockwood? I'm running 124s at 130PF. 100% reliable and around 2" at 25 yards with the Lockwood. I suck at group shooting. After 15 years of 1911 triggers, I'm still learning the P320 trigger. I have no issues with it at match speed, but slow fire, from a rest is hard for some reason. We will see if the new pistol does any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1207 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 49 minutes ago, RangerTrace said: I'm running 124s at 130PF. 100% reliable and around 2" at 25 yards with the Lockwood. I suck at group shooting. After 15 years of 1911 triggers, I'm still learning the P320 trigger. I have no issues with it at match speed, but slow fire, from a rest is hard for some reason. We will see if the new pistol does any better. Okay thank you--that's encouraging. My friend did a grip job on my TXG that is silicone carbide, has the top shelf on the left shaved off, and has a baby palm swell and it feels incredible. I think it's similar to the Alma Cole grip so I bet you're going to love yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m700 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Thats much cleaner than mine. I did it myself a couple years ago. Its amazing how mine feels good and look like crap at the same time. Yours looks nice and im guessing it feels good too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1207 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, m700 said: Thats much cleaner than mine. I did it myself a couple years ago. Its amazing how mine feels good and look like crap at the same time. Yours looks nice and im guessing it feels good too Yes, I'm very pleased with it, thank you. My friend recommended to not go all the way up the backstrap with the silicone carbide so as to make it easier to shift my grip when hitting the mag release for reloads and I'm glad I took his recommendation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m700 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, jt1207 said: Yes, I'm very pleased with it, thank you. My friend recommended to not go all the way up the backstrap with the silicone carbide so as to make it easier to shift my grip when hitting the mag release for reloads and I'm glad I took his recommendation. I ran it up. I didnt know any better. I was going to try and grind off the whole thing as there are some imperfections, cerakote the whole thing along with my lockwood slide and redo the carbide job. Either that or Carbide brass scales of an axg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 8 hours ago, jt1207 said: Okay thank you--that's encouraging. My friend did a grip job on my TXG that is silicone carbide, has the top shelf on the left shaved off, and has a baby palm swell and it feels incredible. I think it's similar to the Alma Cole grip so I bet you're going to love yours! looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Modern Classic on the left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 hours ago, terrydoc said: Modern Classic on the left? Yes sir. More 1911ish cuts. Have the same cuts on my 3.9" duty pistol. The MC slide weights .1 ounce more than the Lockwood. The Lockwood cuts have grown on me and they are VERY functional for racking the slide from about anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaep1911 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Nice looking pistols,RangerTrace! I’m loving my Lockwood slide and waiting to get one more. They are all out of stock now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, jaep1911 said: Nice looking pistols,RangerTrace! I’m loving my Lockwood slide and waiting to get one more. They are all out of stock now. They had a facebook post a few days ago with a table full of them being fitted. Maybe you will soon be in luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 10 hours ago, RangerTrace said: Yes sir. More 1911ish cuts. Have the same cuts on my 3.9" duty pistol. The MC slide weights .1 ounce more than the Lockwood. The Lockwood cuts have grown on me and they are VERY functional for racking the slide from about anywhere. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mveto Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I just recently bought the modern classic slide as well, it is a great upgrade and well worth it in my opinion. Really happy with it and glad I went with it, accuracy is great with brass monkey 127cn’s. Going to try a 135ish gr bullet to see how it feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 This is the best I can do with the pistols at 25 yards, from a rest. I have no problem shooting a plate rack at 25 yards freestyle, but I cannot shoot a sub 2" group. I can't do any better with an Atlas to be honest......The group with a little more vertical stringing is from the Lockwood pistol and the rounder group is from the new slide/barrel/FCU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1207 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 thanks, this gives me a good starting point for what to expect with the Lockwood. We don't reload, so it'll probably be the usual game of finding a factory load or two that the gun likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 7 hours ago, jt1207 said: thanks, this gives me a good starting point for what to expect with the Lockwood. We don't reload, so it'll probably be the usual game of finding a factory load or two that the gun likes. I changed from 147s to 124s based on advice from Bruce. I should have tried a group with the 147s just for grins, but I only had my crappy practice rounds with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddjob Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) For accuracy I think 124's is the way to go. Here's my 5 shot group at 15 yards standing. 9mm case for measurement. RMR 124 Match Winner Truncated at 127 PF. I'm going to kick it up a tad....Too close to 125 for my tastes. No accuracy work done. Factory barrel and slide (P320 X5 Legion) with a SRO. 135's are pretty decent too. Edited May 24, 2023 by oddjob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 5 hours ago, oddjob said: For accuracy I think 124's is the way to go. Here's my 5 shot group at 15 yards standing. 9mm case for measurement. RMR 124 Match Winner Truncated at 127 PF. I'm going to kick it up a tad....Too close to 125 for my tastes. No accuracy work done. Factory barrel and slide (P320 X5 Legion) with a SRO. 135's are pretty decent too. Looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvip27 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) On 5/22/2023 at 11:12 AM, RangerTrace said: This is the best I can do with the pistols at 25 yards, from a rest. I have no problem shooting a plate rack at 25 yards freestyle, but I cannot shoot a sub 2" group. I can't do any better with an Atlas to be honest......The group with a little more vertical stringing is from the Lockwood pistol and the rounder group is from the new slide/barrel/FCU. Basically the same finding for my lockwood (non faxon). I can't shoot well enough at 25yds even on a rest like you but this group i get is def better than i ever could with my regular legion slide. My group was 2" with 124gr. Dont think i will go back to 147/150 on this platform. Edited May 24, 2023 by mrvip27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) After a LENGTHY discussion with Luke at KKM, he recommended I use the xtp type 124/125 JHPs with my new 1:16 twist KKM barrel in the P320 MAX. Final test session comparing load results in the Ransom Rest, I settled on this combo: IMO, it won't get much better than this in a P320 type pistol......... Edited May 25, 2023 by HOGRIDER sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 That is freaking awesome!! I just want to be able to do that with the gun in my hands shooting from a rest. I guess it's not realistic after all. The 10 ring on my targets above are 2.5" in diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, RangerTrace said: I just want to be able to do that with the gun in my hands shooting from a rest. This is the same load bench tested using one of those inexpensive Caldwell plastic rests........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 25, 2023 Author Share Posted May 25, 2023 You dusted me. I don't think my issue is the load or the gun. I'm still learning the best way for "me" to pull the P320 trigger. 1911s are easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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