papamcb Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Good afternoon, I shoot with a high support hand and thumbs up (Like the Fonzie) and am struggling to find a safety that I do not bump with my support hand and can engage/disengage easily. I switched from the stock TSO extended safety to a Shadow2 flat which works great for my high support hand grip but it is a pain to engage/disengage. My preferred grip has the meat of my support hand smothering the safety and if I adjust for the extended safety I end up bumping it. CZ Custom has a extended safety that looks promising but wanted to get others input before buying one. I am a large/xl size glove if that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Most likely you’ll have to mod a safety to fit your grip. try grinding off the front part that your support hand hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwyatt Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Okay.. so I had the same problem. What you need to do is take an AR-15 detent spring and cut it down to just a touch bigger than the existing safety spring. It takes a little effort but that will put enough pressure on the safety so as to make it all but impossible to accidentally bump on. you can easily flick the safety off because your muscle is stronger pushing down. So that’s not an issue. I have to put some effort to get it to turn on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Have you considered grinding off part of your weak hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timido Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 19 hours ago, obsessiveshooter said: Have you considered grinding off part of your weak hand? Little extreme modification. I had same problem. I used a S2 safety on the left side stock Czechmate safety on the right side with the heavier safety spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamcb Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:05 PM, obsessiveshooter said: Have you considered grinding off part of your weak hand? I think this is my best option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 When you say "bump", do you mean that you are accidentally engaging the safety while shooting? I occasionally did this till I installed the CZC extended safety and changed my grip to have my thumb riding the safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildPete Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 You will still bump the underside of the large CZC safety with the meat of your thumb causing the safety to engage. I found Lok grips will push the meat of your thumb back a bit so it doesn't ride the underside of safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 It’s Large czc safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 6 hours ago, WildPete said: You will still bump the underside of the large CZC safety with the meat of your thumb causing the safety to engage. I found Lok grips will push the meat of your thumb back a bit so it doesn't ride the underside of safety. I just spent 10 minutes trying to get this to happen. I couldn't. If my thumb is on top of the safety and I'm crushing the grip like I should be, no amount of support hand meat can push it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 For me it was during reloads. getting support hand back quick and not enough pressure down on the safety. plus there’s no reason your support hand should ever hit the safety. If it does something has to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamcb Posted June 24, 2022 Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, TonytheTiger said: When you say "bump", do you mean that you are accidentally engaging the safety while shooting? I occasionally did this till I installed the CZC extended safety and changed my grip to have my thumb riding the safety. That is correct, the meat of my support hand would bump the safety while shooting and stop the trigger. This would happen when I used the stock TSO extended safety (picture attached). Below is a link to a couple pictures of my normal grip in case it is helpful. In pictures I am using the Shadow2 flat safety which allows my hand to comfortably sit that high. My guess is even if I use the extended CZC safety I will still need to adjust my support hand grip lower and even then I my engage (bump) it. Link to pictures of my grip: https://imgur.com/a/LBv2e6V Edited June 24, 2022 by papamcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildPete Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, papamcb said: That is correct, the meat of my support hand would bump the safety while shooting and stop the trigger. This would happen when I used the stock TSO extended safety (picture attached). Below is a link to a couple pictures of my normal grip in case it is helpful. In pictures I am using the Shadow2 flat safety which allows my hand to comfortably sit that high. My guess is even if I use the extended CZC safety I will still need to adjust my support hand grip lower and even then I my engage (bump) it. Link to pictures of my grip: https://imgur.com/a/LBv2e6V I had thus happen with my extended safety on my old Tac Sport and with my Czechmate. Try Lok Palm swells grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amra86 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I modified a CZC extended safety to give more clearance for my week hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conditionone Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 What's the point of having a wide safety if you do not ride it with your strong hand thumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsessiveshooter Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, conditionone said: What's the point of having a wide safety if you do not ride it with your strong hand thumb? It's wide enough that even though you might be riding it with your strong thumb, it can be digging into your support hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamcb Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Amra86 said: I modified a CZC extended safety to give more clearance for my week hand. Thank you for the pic that is very helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 9:02 AM, papamcb said: That is correct, the meat of my support hand would bump the safety while shooting and stop the trigger. This would happen when I used the stock TSO extended safety (picture attached). Below is a link to a couple pictures of my normal grip in case it is helpful. In pictures I am using the Shadow2 flat safety which allows my hand to comfortably sit that high. My guess is even if I use the extended CZC safety I will still need to adjust my support hand grip lower and even then I my engage (bump) it. Link to pictures of my grip: https://imgur.com/a/LBv2e6V Found your problem. You've got sasquatch hands. Should probably do something about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I think some of the safety’s from Sebo or ipsc store don’t curve back down in the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, TonytheTiger said: You've got sasquatch hands. Should probably do something about that. That's an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamcb Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, TonytheTiger said: Found your problem. You've got sasquatch hands. Should probably do something about that. That's funny I never though of myself having large hand, but everyone says I have a pumpkin head lol. Thank you all for the input, looks like I have some experimenting to do Edited June 29, 2022 by papamcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 hours ago, papamcb said: That's funny I never though of myself having large hand, but everyone says I have a pumpkin head lol. LOL, I've never seen a gun as big as a TS almost disappear in someones hands before. I wish I could offer some advice, but my hands don't even have the square footage to replicate your problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick303 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 To me that *thumb rest [generic]* looks like it makes your strong hand ride higher than a normal grip without the *thumb rest [generic]*. Maybe something to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamcb Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) Just wanted to update the thread and thank everyone for the insights. I ended up getting some Lok palm swell grips (they are awesome) and tried the CZC extended safety but it ended up digging in worse than the stock safety. I was going to grind on it as others had suggested but decided to go another route. Looking to try the Sebo type 2 next since it does not curve back down as mentioned by Superkaratemonkeyfighter. The angle on the Sebo when disengaged looks similar to the angle on the shadow 2 flat safety when it is engaged and that rides over my support hand. https://seboweapons.com/en/cz-spare-parts/172-large-safety-both-sides-type-2.html?search_query= Large+safety+-+type+2&results=54 Edited July 11, 2022 by papamcb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Yea always wanted to try them also. I’m sure it would work with no issues. I don’t know why they curve the safety back down in the front. It makes no sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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