Per71 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Hey guys, I am considering buying a used CZ TSO .40, from 2016. Its in very good condition, <1000 rounds fired. I am curious if there has been any changes from 2016 until now, anything I need to replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 best model. better than 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Changes were the following: - shadow 2 style mag release pad - shadow 2 style extended safety - aluminum trigger shoe instead of polymer update the recoil spring, extractor, main spring, firing pin spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per71 Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 Thx for replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig233 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The trigger guard may be a different shape than the newer ones. The difference is very slight but keep that in mind when buying holsters. I found out the hard way. Some tso have the Czech mate frame and trigger guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow2 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Are TSO’s frames made somewhere other than Czech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 12 hours ago, Shadow2 said: Are TSO’s frames made somewhere other than Czech? CZ makes some frames in their KS facility. Not sure if the TSO is one of them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 7:04 AM, yigal said: best model. better than 2020. Why do you feel its better than a 2020 model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, mpeltier said: Why do you feel its better than a 2020 model? on older models shape of the trigger guard works better on competition holsters and more comfortable. all new cz guns from 2019 in ours club have more mim parts .in older models this parts was made from solid steel. about performance all TSO is the one of the best handguns that i know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 1:08 PM, Shadow2 said: Are TSO’s frames made somewhere other than Czech? TSO is made in Czech Republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, yigal said: on older models shape of the trigger guard works better on competition holsters and more comfortable. all new cz guns from 2019 in ours club have more mim parts .in older models this parts was made from solid steel. about performance all TSO is the one of the best handguns that i know. what parts are MIM? I had not heard this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, mpeltier said: what parts are MIM? I had not heard this before. Metal injection molding (MIM) new extractors slide stops new sear cage on all new shadow 2 This does not mean that these less quality guns are only cheaper to manufacture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, yigal said: Metal injection molding (MIM) new extractors slide stops new sear cage on all new shadow 2 This does not mean that these less quality guns are only cheaper to manufacture. Shadow 2 triggers also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, eerw said: Shadow 2 triggers also rear sight too and all small parts for safety mech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, yigal said: Metal injection molding (MIM) new extractors slide stops new sear cage on all new shadow 2 This does not mean that these less quality guns are only cheaper to manufacture. If its not lesser quality, how can they be better or not better? Trigger guard shape is just personal preference. Sounds like you prefer the older model, but its not necessarily better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, mpeltier said: If its not lesser quality, how can they be better or not better? Trigger guard shape is just personal preference. Sounds like you prefer the older model, but its not necessarily better. yes. my carry gun is cz 75 from 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALAR Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Trigger and rear sight being MIM doesn't really matter but man, I gotta say a MIM extractor has proven to be a bad idea on other guns. I had no idea CZ went to them on all their guns now but I've never removed one so have never seen the telltale marks. I've not heard of them failing so I guess it is a non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 45 minutes ago, FALAR said: Trigger and rear sight being MIM doesn't really matter but man, I gotta say a MIM extractor has proven to be a bad idea on other guns. I had no idea CZ went to them on all their guns now but I've never removed one so have never seen the telltale marks. I've not heard of them failing so I guess it is a non-issue. Non issue. S&w, Glock, Ruger, SIG, and many more use MIM extractors. Not a problem I'm aware of with any of them. Ive owned 7 S&W M&P's with thousands of rounds thru them. Never a problem with any of them extracting. Who are you referring to that it was a "Bad idea"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FALAR Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Every broken extractor I've ever seen a picture of was MIM. That's why Colt went away from it pretty quick on their 1911s. Every broken extractor I've ever seen in person was from a MIMber (aka Kimber). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZGeoege Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 My 2019 and 2020 TSO’s definitely don’t have MIM extractors. I can see machine marks ever so slightly on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 9 hours ago, FALAR said: Every broken extractor I've ever seen a picture of was MIM. That's why Colt went away from it pretty quick on their 1911s. Every broken extractor I've ever seen in person was from a MIMber (aka Kimber). I should have said Non-1911 extractor, as the design of a 1911 extractor acting as a spring is probably the reason its not been workable in the 1911. A 1911 tool steel or spring steel extractor is pretty tough, but not fool proof either by any means. Over the years I have use a variety of handguns in competition, and by far the most problematic extractors have been in 1911's, and not MIM. I'm not going to worry about the extractors in both of my 2020 TSO's, they gave me an extra with each anyway. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZGeoege Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, mpeltier said: I should have said Non-1911 extractor, as the design of a 1911 extractor acting as a spring is probably the reason its not been workable in the 1911. A 1911 tool steel or spring steel extractor is pretty tough, but not fool proof either by any means. Over the years I have use a variety of handguns in competition, and by far the most problematic extractors have been in 1911's, and not MIM. I'm not going to worry about the extractors in both of my 2020 TSO's, they gave me an extra with each anyway. Lol Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 this MIM extractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZGeoege Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, yigal said: this MIM extractor Not MIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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