rubberneck Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Unable to fall asleep last night I was up late channel surfing and came across a moved called "Liberty Stands still" starring Wesley Snipes and Linda Fiorentino. I have never liked Snipes but have always had a thing for Fiorentino since I first saw her in vision quest. Anyways the movie is about a man who's daughter was murdered in school with a gun that was designed and produced by the company Fiorentino owns. Snipes character is hiding in a near by building with a sniper rifle and has planted a bomb in a hot dog cart in the middle of a park. I picked the movie up to late to see how he managed to get her cuffed to the cart but then he proceeds to kill several innocent bystanders and one LEO who comes to investigate. In the end his only demand was for a national debate on the evils of the 2nd amendment. Blah, blah, blah..... the movie was so anti-gun it was almost comical. What really bugs me is that Wesley Snipes has made a small fortune appearing in movies (I counted at least 17 films) where his characters use firearms in acts of violence, including this turd. Lest we all forget Snipes was arrested in 1993 trying to board a plane at LAX with a loaded firearm and his production company Amen-Ra opened a firearms/body guard school in Macon Ga before the BATFE shut it down. I am sick and tired of these hollywood stars who have no qualms about appearing in movies where their characters use guns, or who hire bodyguards that arm armed or chose to arm themselves yet feel the need to poo poo gun ownership for the rest of us. Harrison Ford and Sean Penn can go to hell as well while we are at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Danny Glover and the lethal weapons series from which he has made a small fortune - anti. And the list goes on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Name the asshat: "All gunowners should be killed. Except, uh, my son's body guard...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQB Dave Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Rosie "I am addicted to spoons, cause I keep shoving food in my mouth with them"Odonnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Moderator note This is exactly the type of hate rant that gets the mod staff circling like sharks. A great rant that everyone wants to do a +1 or something. Normally I would err on the side of caution and close it. But maybe we can try it different this time. If you want to reply read the new pinned hate forum guidelines at the top of this page. If you think your post will cross the rules don't post. If you aren't sure pm me or another mod and ask. This really is a good hate rant, let's not mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 3quatertime, if it makes a difference I have no problems with people throwing their two cents into my hate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Is it OK if I say I absolutely LOATHE Rosie O' Donut because she is such an arrogant hypocrite? You may recall she had Tom Selleck on her show to talk about a new movie or something, but no sooner was he in the chair than she launched a tirade on him for being a "spokesman for the NRA".... The show was never aired, but after this leaked out, she later apologized. http://www.nracentral.com/tom_selleck.php Transcript of Tom Selleck and Rosie O'Donnell's NRA Discussion Rosie: We're here with Tom Selleck who's a member of the NRA. Three months ago you joined the NRA. Tom: I did. I actually joined to do an ad. Because, I've done a lot of consensus work for like the last 7 to 8 years and what disturbs me and I think disturbs a lot of Americans is the whole idea of politics now-a-days which seems to be, 'if you disagree with me, you must be evil' as opposed to 'if you disagree with me, you must be stupid'. That's very American. You know, the demonizing of a group like the NRA is very disturbing. And that coupled with the idea that the government is getting into the idea of suing. We did it for noble reasons with tobacco. I think it was a mistake. Then they moved to gun makers, now they're suing television shows. Oliver Stone there's a suit on his movie. I think the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and all of the Bill of Rights are extremely important. And somebody needs to stand up at times where... maybe some of our politicians are demagogue-ing issues. Reasonable people should disagree in this country; we should celebrate that, not consider it a threat. Rosie: Right, but I think that the reason that people are so extreme against the NRA is because the NRA has such a militant strength, especially a power in Washington to veto or to stronghold any sensible gun law. They have been against every sensible gun law, until yesterday, including trigger locks, so that children, which there are 500 a year that die, don't get killed. Tom: I'm not a spokesman for the NRA. In fact, all I can tell you is, I was a member when I was kid. I was a junior NRA member. I learned firearm safety. And from what I can see in the last three months, they don't do a lot of the stuff that you assume that they do. Rosie: I don't assume. Tom: They are for trigger locks. The NRA is for a lot of things as long as they're voluntary. Rosie: They're against the registering of guns. We have to register cars. Why shouldn't we register guns so that when a crime is committed we can trace who has owned it? Tom: You know, I understand how you feel. This is a really contentious issue. Probably as contentious, and potentially as troubling as the abortion issue in this country. All I can tell you is, rushes to pass legislation at a time of national crisis or mourning, I don't really think are proper. And more importantly, nothing in any of this legislation would have done anything to prevent that awful tragedy in Littleton. What I see in the work I've done with kids is, is troubling direction in our culture. And where I see consensus, which is I think we ought to concentrate on in our culture is... look... nobody argues anymore whether they're Conservatives or Liberal whether our society is going in the wrong direction. They may argue trying to quantify how far it's gone wrong or why it's gone that far wrong, whether it's guns, or television, or the Internet, or whatever. But there's consensus saying that something's happened. Guns were much more accessible 40 years ago. A kid could walk into a pawn shop or a hardware store and buy a high capacity magazine weapon that could kill a lot of people and they didn't do it. The question we should be asking is... look... suicide is a tragedy. And it's a horrible thing. But 30 or 40 years ago, particularly men, and even young men, when they were suicidal, they went, and unfortunately, blew their brains out. In today's world, someone who is suicidal sits home, nurses their grievance, develops a rage, and is just a suicidal but they take 20 people with them. There's something changed in our culture. That's not a simple... Rosie: But you can't say that guns don't bear a responsibility. If the makers of the TEC-9 assault rifle... Why wouldn't the NRA be against assault rifles? This is a gun that can shoot five bullets in a second. This is the gun that those boys brought into the school. Why the NRA wouldn't say as a matter of compromise, 'we agree, assault weapons are not good'? Tom: I'm not... I can't speak for the NRA. Rosie: But you're their spokesperson Tom, so you have to be responsible for what they say. Tom: But I'm not a spokesperson. I'm not a spokesperson for the NRA. Rosie: But if you put your name out and say, 'I, Tom Selleck... Tom: Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not a spokesperson. Remember how calm you said you'd be? Now you're questioning my humanity. Rosie: No, not your humanity. I think you're a very humane man. I'm saying that if you... Tom: Let's just say that I disagree with you but I think you're being stupid. Rosie: But you can't say that I will not take responsibility for anything the NRA represents if you're saying that you're going to do an ad for the NRA. Tom: Really? Rosie: You can't say that. Do you think you can? Tom: Look... you're carefully skirting the issue. It's an act of moral vanity, Rosie, to assume that someone who disagrees with your political agenda to solve our problems, cares any less or is any less shocked... Rosie: I never said you cared less. Tom: Well, let me finish... Rosie: Tom, I don't think you cared less. Nor do I think the men in the NRA cared less. Tom: The women too. Rosie: And the women. I simply said, why can there not be a compromise on the issue... Tom: There IS a compromise! There's a compromise in enforcing laws. There's a compromise with not allowing kids with guns in school. The problem is, and what you don't seem to realize... you seem to have some sort of... look, we all hang out with people we agree with. And you have a one very one-sided view of the fact of what you don't understand... Rosie: As does the NRA and the people you hang out with at the NRA have a one-sided view as well. Tom: I don't hang out with people of the NRA... Rosie: OK, well, you're saying that I hang out with people with my views. I'm just saying... Tom: I said people tend to... Rosie: We all tend to. The NRA does and the un-NRA does. Tom: You know, this is a nice one-sided conversation but you keep interrupting me. Remember how civil you said we were going to be? Rosie: I let you talk for four minutes without saying one thing! I did. I didn't say one thing! I simply asked a question on what their philosophies are. And you don't want to... Tom: I told you... look, when do you want to get to television and violence... Rosie: I agree! I agree. Tom: ...and game shows... Rosie: Game shows? Tom: ...and how do you reconcile... Rosie: You mean video games? I agree! Tom: Please let me finish! Let me say just one thing. What you're really talking about... at least what I'm talking about... is are we a responsible enough society, in terms of television, in terms of guns, in terms of everything else, to be this free? That should frame the debate. My answer unfortunately, in this culture, is 'probably not'. But I'm going to down with the Civil Liberties ship, and all the Bill of Rights, and apply them equally. That's the way I feel. You can ask me specific questions about anything, but it's simply stupid political rhetoric. Rosie: Well, it's not stupid political rhetoric. We also have freedom of speech, but you're not allowed to scream 'fire' in a crowded movie theater because it threatens the safety of other people. Tom: I understand. Rosie: Assault weapons threaten the safety of other people. There's no reason, in my opinion, to have them. You want to have a hunting rifle? Great! You want to have a handgun? Tom: Do you really think the Second Amendment to the Constitution to guarantee hunting and target shooting? Do you really think that's what the Founding Fathers meant? Rosie: I think the Second Amendment is in the Constitution so that we can have muskets when the British people come over in 1800. I don't think it's in the Constitution to have assault weapons in the year 2000. But I'm wrong? I guess... Tom: (nods his head) Rosie: You know, this is the problem. Here's what happens. The people with opposing views, there is no compromise because, you feel attacked, I feel attacked. You feel less understood... Tom: I haven't attacked you. I've disagreed with you. Rosie: And I've disagreed with you as well. But mine comes in the form of attacking because... Tom: I haven't mentioned assault weapons once. I haven't mentioned a lot of things once. The nature of this debate... I didn't come on your show to have a debate. I came on your show to plug a movie. That's what's I'm doing here. Rosie: And that's what we did. Tom: If you think it's proper to have a debate about the NRA, I'm trying to be fair with you. Rosie: As I am trying to... Tom: But this is absurd. You're calling me a spokesman for the NRA. Rosie: Tom, if you are a celebrity and you're doing an ad that says, 'I am the NRA', then what should have been... Tom: Have you read the ads? Rosie: I have read the ads. Tom: Good. Rosie: Did you read the ads? Tom: I said them. I read them when I say them. Rosie: Well, I do too. Well, this is not supposed to be a personal... Tom: Well it's certainly very entertaining, look at the audience, they're just laughing and having a great old time. Rosie: Well it's a serious subject. I don't think it's a lot to laugh about. Tom: Well, that's fine. Rosie: All right, well, this has not gone the way I had hoped it had gone. But, I would like to thank you for appearing anyway, knowing that we have differing views. I was happy that you decided to come on the show. And if you feel insulted by my questions, I apologize, because it was not a personal attack. I was meant to bring up the subject as it is in the consciousness of so many today. That was my intent. And if it was wrong, I apologize to you, on a personal level. Tom: It's your show and you can talk about it after I leave too. Rosie: Well, I thought I would give you an opportunity to discuss your side of it. Which is what I hope that I did. And if I was wrong I'm sorry. (Tom looks away from Rosie) Well, obviously, it didn't do much good. 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zhunter Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 There is a reason why I don't watch TV, and refuse to watch movies with certain actors. I WILL/DO not patronize actors or TV shows that I disagree with their ideology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Just got done looking through my American Rifleman mag..... In it is a spot on a widely known reporter in the destruction zone of Katrina..... He is talking to a gentleman that has stayed to protect his home and belongings.... the gentleman has his own personal guns.... After this "reporter" leaves he mentioned that he was "nervous" or something to that matter about being around the gentleman with guns..... All the while the "reporter" has his own armed security guards escorting him around. And he's nervous about one guy trying to protect what he has worked hard for !!!!!!! HOP One not to normally get in on this kind of stuff, but enough is enough with the "media" and the "HYPOCRITES" They need to get a real life !!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I work as a freelance "journalist" for BBC Radio. And they make CNN look like Fox News. It is really amazing to go to dinner with the crew, normally about 35 for a group dinner, and the "gig" lasts for a week at a time. Me, being slightly right of almost EVERYONE on Earth, it is funny to listen to them try to justify their beliefs and viewpoints. They get VERY frustrated. Truth NORMALLY does not get in their way of thinking. And, I have a G/F who is just like "them". I guess opposites do attract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Geez, just read the Rosie O' Donnell interview with Tom Selleck. I am GLAD that her show doesn't air here. +1 on the hollywood hypocrits. I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would be on that list too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmitz Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 +1 on the HH...we are in need for a Second Amendment overhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 +1 on the hollywood hypocrits. I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would be on that list too <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Amen on the Squirmenator. He got fried in the last two weeks over a total conflict of interest that came out: he was "executive editor" of a couple of fitness magazines where they just put his name on the editorial list and sent him a couple of million dollars a year.... problem is, those mags hawk the dangerous crank up diet supplements body builders use to "cut weight" which are herbal forms of ephedrine (the main ingredient in crank). The state of kali passed a law to regulate sales of any "supplements" that contained this herbal crank and Arnie immediately vetoed it..... When it all came out, his approval numbers dropped below Gray davis' lowest water mark. I hope they kick Arnie's butt out as soon as possible. he's a lying sleazeball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folsoml Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Thanks for posting that Bountyhunter. I'd heard about it, but this was the 1st time I saw the whole thing. The thing that always sticks in my craw is how anti's will try to bring up that the second amendment was only intended for muskets against the british. Tom: Do you really think the Second Amendment to the Constitution to guarantee hunting and target shooting? Do you really think that's what the Founding Fathers meant? Rosie: I think the Second Amendment is in the Constitution so that we can have muskets when the British people come over in 1800. I don't think it's in the Constitution to have assault weapons in the year 2000. But I'm wrong? I guess... That's like saying the 1st amendment only covered what the town cryer could say, or only stuff printed on an old style printing press. Plain fact is, the framers of the constitution feared big government. They wanted rights to protect them against big government. 1st amendment says in essence that you can't be told what you can say or write...who can't tell you? The government. 4th amendment says you are have aright privacy against unreasonable searches and seizures...who can't do the unreasonable searches? The government. 5th amendment (I'm skipping some I know, but I'm doing this off the top of my head) say you can't be forced to testify against yourself...who can't make you? The government! To assert that there is no need to privately own guns because the goverment will take care of you clearly flies in the face of evey other amendment. Why should the 2nd be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Alllllrighty then... Seems that the original rant has been explored plenty. Thanks for kinda/sorta following the no politics rules all!!! Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 WTF. Another America hating liberal gets to rewrite history playing a conservative. George Clooney is cast as CIA career ops officer Bob Baer. Almost as bad, Matt Damon is in it. I've read Baer's stuff, even hear his books on tape. Good stuff. He deserved better than Clinto...oops I mean Clooney. Reading how weakened our intel system became and how corrupt the Clinton White House was in SEE NO EVIL scared the hell out of me. It became basically a trailer park FOR RENT. Baer lays things a lot of things squarely at Clinton's doorstep, and traces most terrorism back to Iran over the last 30 years. He seemed fairly non political though and does charge Bush I with several omissions I can't wait to see how Hollywood spins this one to be anti Bush. OK< Baer does have a strike against him; he retired to Fronz. Just kidding Julien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 All the good conservative actors are black-balled....(Willis, James Woods)...yeah James Woods would have been great in that role..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Look how many big screen movies Tom Selleck done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 This new topic seemed to fit very nicely with the older topic. Still closed, but easy for all to read and ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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