4n2t0 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) I'm having trouble making PF with WST+147gr FMJ out of a Ruger SR9. I'm currently at 3.6gr but I don't have any experience with WST and since load data is non existent I'm not sure how hard I can push it. Any suggestions? P.S. I've searched the forum but it seems the majority of people are loading coated 147gr with WST. Edited July 5, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTaylor Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Oal? Your going to need closer to 4 if you're at 1.135" or more. I made pf with coated at 3.7. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 I load to 1.135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microham Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Go to Hodgdon's website and check it out. WST is listed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, microham said: Go to Hodgdon's website and check it out. WST is listed here. No, it's not listed. Edited July 6, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microham Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Sorry I was thinking WSF, you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, microham said: Sorry I was thinking WSF, you are right. No worries, I appreciate the thought. I love WSF but I've got that load down pat (3.9gr or 4.0gr depending on the season). Edited July 6, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) I don't know that I'd be personally comfortable pushing 147 jacketed with WST. You're not the first with this question: http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/120010-win-wst-and-147-gr-a-good-combo-for-a-newbie-production-loader/ Edited July 6, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I run WST in 45, not 9mm. From my previous research IIRC, once you get past ~3.7gr with a 147gr bullet you see very little increase in velocity (or none), but the pressure gets very high. Hodgdon will not give recommendations on this load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel855 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I use 3.4 WST with a 147 Ibeji FP 1.130 oal CCI primers and average 915 fps for 134 power factor at 55 deg last fall very soft very clean load. Have not tried with a jacketed bullet, Ibejis have been flawless and at $88 per thousand hard to beat. I will rechrono in warmer weather now to get data but i have not seen any difference in function or accuracy at last weekends match. On another note you may want to consider Power Pistol 4.0 grains with same set up averaged 901 fps 132 power factor out of XDM 5.25. Power pistol is very versatile in 9mm hornaday has some great data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 My Hodgdon manual from 1991 lists WST for 124gr bullets but not for 147's. I would save the WST for other loads and go with something else for those 147's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Well that sucks. I knew it was going to be difficult but I didn't think it would be impossible! I'll see if a .45 shooter's willing to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Before giving up I'll push it a little further and post my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Or hang onto it if you switch to 135s or 124s someday. Hoenstly I suggest you play with some coated bullets. Most of us never go back to FMJ once we've tried them. A coated 147 might be making PF with that load. Edited July 7, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Ammo Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 On 7/6/2017 at 10:32 AM, jhgtyre said: My Hodgdon manual from 1991 lists WST for 124gr bullets but not for 147's. I would save the WST for other loads and go with something else for those 147's. What does the manual show for the 124gr bullets? I'm guessing 4.2? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said: Or hang onto it if you switch to 135s or 124s someday. Hoenstly I suggest you play with some coated bullets. Most of us never go back to FMJ once we've tried them. A coated 147 might be making PF with that load. I wish I could play with coated bullets. Us "Snow Mexicans" don't have nearly the same cornucopia of choice. Basically there's only one real manufacturer slinging their coated (Hi-Tek 2) products and to be completely honest they're a subpar projectile. Uneven coating, misshaped projectiles, and weights that can vary by 3grs. Edited July 7, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Out of Ammo said: What does the manual show for the 124gr bullets? I'm guessing 4.2? Thanks. Edited July 7, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrench459 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 7/5/2017 at 7:49 PM, 4n2t0 said: I'm having trouble making PF.... I'm currently at 3.6gr but I don't have any experience with WST and since load data is non existent I'm not sure how hard I can push it. Any suggestions? I've been told to measure case bulge right around the .200 mark for the 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 21 hours ago, 4n2t0 said: Yeah my old book shows that same basic range. The deal is that Hodgdon quit recommending that powder in 9mm for a reason. Assuming that you know better than they do is probably not wise. Going with current, published, data is much safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, jhgtyre said: Yeah my old book shows that same basic range. The deal is that Hodgdon quit recommending that powder in 9mm for a reason. Assuming that you know better than they do is probably not wise. Going with current, published, data is much safer. I don't "know" better than Hodgdon, or anyone else for that matter, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't safely test to find out. There are some great loads out there that aren't supported by published data. Edited July 9, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Ammo Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I know that 4.2 gr of WST will meet PF on my gun with a 125gr bullet. I've used the chrono on it several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpulled Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I load 3.5 grains of wst but I shoot 147 gr extremes. You'll probably have to bump it up a couple tenths with jacketed bullets. At 3.5 I don't see any pressure signs and oal is 1.135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I finally met power factor, here are the details: Gun: Ruger SR9/9E Brass: Mixed Primer: Fiocchi Powder: WST 3.8gr Projectile: CamPro 147gr RNFP (Thick plated projectile, manufacturer suggests using FMJ data) OAL: 1.135 Weather: 25°C Avg: 891 ES: 16 SD: 6 PF: 130 *Note: I weighed the charges by hand so I expect the ES and SD to be slightly higher once I get it flowing through the 650 . The load shot well and was plenty accurate for my purpose. WST seems to burn pretty clean but I won' be able to confirm until I get through at least 300 rounds. I don't see any reason to shy away from this load and will continue to buy WST as long as it remains on sale locally. I know pressure signs are very difficult to assess for handgun loads but here are 8 recovered cases for anyone who's curious. Edited July 21, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Just closing the loop... I wanted to see if the velocity would continue to rise if I loaded 4.0gr, here are the details: Gun: Ruger SR9/9E Brass: Mixed Primer: Fiocchi Powder: WST 4.0gr Projectile: CamPro 147gr RNFP (Thick plated projectile, manufacturer suggests using FMJ data) OAL: 1.135 Weather: 23°C Avg: 928 ES: 21 SD: 7 PF: 136 Here are 8 recovered cases: As you can see the velocity did go up and the primers still look good. I believe this additional information confirms that my 3.8gr is safe. Here's the original 3.6gr data: Gun: Ruger SR9/9E Brass: Mixed Primer: Fiocchi Powder: WST 3.6gr Projectile: CamPro 147gr RNFP (Thick plated projectile, manufacturer suggests using FMJ data) OAL: 1.135 Weather: 23°C Avg: 872 ES: 17 SD: 6 PF: 128 I was actually making power factor but it was too close for comfort, especially since WST is reverse temperature sensitive. Edited July 27, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I used to run 3.6 grains under a hardcast lead 147TC and it put me right at 135PF in my M&P 9 Pro. When working up the load I took it up a bit higher and WST will get "peaky" but it does it at a good bit higher PF than we run. WST is fine for USPSA minor PF loads. Just don't try to duplicate factory +P or +P+ loads with it, I think you will find that you don't like the results. Your data looks fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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