9X23Guy Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 http://www.victorygunblog.com/blog/barrelrace17 A couple a great take aways in this article. 1. Without question, some aftermarket barrels can and do outshoot stock Glock barrels. 2. Stock Glock barrels shoot fairly well. 3. Most people do not shoot well enough to see a great improvement and go searching for other parts and fixes to compensate for their lack of fundamentals. (No offense intended) 4. Good ammo makes a big difference. In my experience, there is value in having the most accurate weapon you can get EVEN IF you cannot shoot well enough to maximize its potential. Reason being you take more of the gun out of the equation therefore the learning curve is shorter. For example, if a guy simply says "I'm not good enough for good equipment yet" and takes crap ammo out a stock barrel that doesn't like that particular bullet weight then he may spend a long time chasing something that isn't there. Would have loved to see a Barsto and Zev too based on a previous random rest test article I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 4 hours ago, 9X23Guy said: For example, if a guy simply says "I'm not good enough for good equipment yet" I for one find this argument quite tiresome. Regardless of the platform...rifle, pistol, whatever. I absolutely agree that fundamentals should always be looked to improve upon but the idea that "I don't shoot well enough to take advantage of an X difference in MOA" with a change in equipment doesn't add up. I've tried to explain it to friends before and I've finally started to demonstrate it this way. I put a piece of paper on the table. I put a suacer on the paper to simulate where a 5 MOA bullet can be expected to impact. Then I slide it around to simulate a less than rock solid sight hold. Then I put a drinking glass on the paper to simulate the POI of a 2 MOA bullet and slide it around. HOWEVER, I totally understand the argument that many people have to think carefully where shooting money goes. If the cost of a barrel or even an entire gun constitutes the amount of money you spend on ammo for an entire month then perhaps the shooter is better served to spend the money in practice rather than a 3/4 MOA improvement. With all of that said, I still shoot factory glock barrels because of what Vogel told us at a seminar...virtually everytime he has seen a glock malfunction it was housing an aftermarket barrel. Now that assessment has some obvious limitations because it does not take into account the percentage of people in those seminars who were using post market barrels. Nor does it include ammo differences, factory, cheap factory, homemade, etc. Someday I'm sure I will experiment with an aftermarket barrel. I'm just not there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Check this out. https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/glock-precision-barrel-test-1-ransom-rest-oem-kkm-s3f-zev-wilson.1727/ Yet Vogel on his website where it's listed the gun that he uses in open class sports a KKM barrel. I have tried 3 aftermarket barrels and all have been perfectly reliable with all kinds of different bullet profiles. Just because you added an aftermarket barrel and you have a malfunction you really can't say it's because of the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny10 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, rooster said: Check this out. https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/glock-precision-barrel-test-1-ransom-rest-oem-kkm-s3f-zev-wilson.1727/ Yet Vogel on his website where it's listed the gun that he uses in open class sports a KKM barrel. I have tried 3 aftermarket barrels and all have been perfectly reliable with all kinds of different bullet profiles. Just because you added an aftermarket barrel and you have a malfunction you really can't say it's because of the barrel. Absolutely agree. That's why I mentioned the limitations to his claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I Ransom'd my G17s when I first had Irv Stone hand fit the BarSto barrels. They would throw less than 1" at 25 yards, versus the OEM at about 1,75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I've tested ZEV, KKM and Glock off of a range bag. Nothing scientific. KKM was hands down more accurate and locked up tighter than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I got a Wilson and the Lock Up was looser than the Stock Barrel so I measured it the hood and locking lug measured smaller\ than my Stock Barrel. I snapped photo's with my Veneer's measuring it Emailed to them and I sent it in for a refund, I didn't\ want another. They didn't refund my Shipping, I had to get firm with them til they did. Got a KKM, it was dead nuts perfect and locked up Real Tight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9X23Guy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hmmm, seems to be a common theme with KKM. Price is right on them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge40 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, bigtimelarry said: I got a Wilson and the Lock Up was looser than the Stock Barrel so I measured it the hood and locking lug measured smaller\ than my Stock Barrel. I snapped photo's with my Veneer's measuring it Emailed to them and I sent it in for a refund, I didn't\ want another. They didn't refund my Shipping, I had to get firm with them til they did. Got a KKM, it was dead nuts perfect and locked up Real Tight.. It seems few and far between but I had a terrible experience with Wilson customer service too. To the point that I will never buy their products again. Go with the KKM you won't regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) KKM has it figured out.. Their drop in barrels fit about as tight as your gonna get and still get the slide on.. Plus if you ever have a problem (which is very rare) they just give you another barrel no questions asked.. Great Company.. Edited January 17, 2017 by bigtimelarry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 this review say a lot on aftermarket barrels and their pro-cons. best reliable review i've seen in a while... http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_148462137754012&key=79bd9386a12d9ac58a81d42672c87dc4&libId=iy0zouix0101ax4w000DA7hvbvt7y&subId=3532157973&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.brianenos.com%2Findex.php%3F%2Ftopic%2F240375-g34-gen4-accuracy-issues%2F%23comment-2680289&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fprimaryandsecondary.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Fglock-precision-barrel-test-1-ransom-rest-oem-kkm-s3f-zev-wilson.1727%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.brianenos.com%2Findex.php%3F%2Fsearch%2F&title=g34 gen4 accuracy issues - Glock - Brian Enos's Forums... Maku mozo!&txt=https%3A%2F%2Fprimaryandsecondary.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fthreads%2Fglock-precision-barrel-test-1-ransom-rest-oem-kkm-s3f-zev-wilson.1727%2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9X23Guy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Yes, I've seen that review. That was the other one I referenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9X23Guy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 The file is too big so I'd have to take the picture again but when I did load development for my stock barrel I tuned a load that was able to do 15 rounds in 2.5" off of a sandbag at 25 yards. 13 of those rounds were in a cluster just under 2". I never saw the need for an aftermarket barrel after doing that but if I didn't handload I would have bought an aftermarket right away because they group better across all loads. Some loads that I use in other guns grouped as big as 5" in the stock barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 funny to that the zev barrel gets better groupings at distance but is average at typical range. everything taken into account i settled on the kkm as being the more consistent barrel over most of the conditions-ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreGarciaTAT2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I have always been a KKM believer, and I still love them, but my team mate shoots an S3F barrel... and I shot her pistol, and I was very impressed... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/16/2017 at 7:50 PM, bigtimelarry said: I got a Wilson and the Lock Up was looser than the Stock Barrel so I measured it the hood and locking lug measured smaller\ than my Stock Barrel. I snapped photo's with my Veneer's measuring it Emailed to them and I sent it in for a refund, I didn't\ want another. They didn't refund my Shipping, I had to get firm with them til they did. Got a KKM, it was dead nuts perfect and locked up Real Tight.. I had the same. Wilson was looser (measured it too). KKM was tighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 16/01/2017 at 10:31 PM, bigtimelarry said: KKM has it figured out.. Their drop in barrels fit about as tight as your gonna get and still get the slide on.. Plus if you ever have a problem (which is very rare) they just give you another barrel no questions asked.. Great Company.. i'm still wondering how a drop in barrel can exactly fit with the best lock up possible!!! glocks are the AK's among the mass produced pistols ,how is it possible even for KKM to provide a barrel that fit like a semi drop in where you still have to work the lugs a little....on my part, i always ended up with a semi drop in after much hesitation for a fully drop in barrel....although i'd prefer a drop in that fit perfect from the word go,so no smithing involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPI Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Big believer in KKM. Mine will be here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2fishnshoot Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 love my g34 kkm barrel. still waiting on 2 more g19 barrels from kkm. anyone have any idea how long it takes them to ship barrels? s3f barrels are nice to. just dont like how they stick out so much from the end of the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilot172 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I reviewed that barrel test also by victorygun blog. I recently bought a Blacklist barrel and did my own testing and was very impressed with the results. I'll do a separate post on it. I originally was going to get a KKM but they only come in 1:20 twist and 1:16 (custom). KKM told me outright that 1:20 will not work with 147gr bullets, won't stabilze it, so went with the 1:10 Blacklist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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