1911vm Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I was thinking about what would be the BEST ESP gun. In my mind not in any special order. 1911 9mm 2011 9mm Cz 75 shadow All with similar things. Magwell , sights triggers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 If you have a 2011 on the list then the 1911 is redundant. If I didn't have the cash for the 2011, the CZ would probably be my go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Not sure about it being redundant. 1911 can use 9 round mags. 2011 you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Not sure about it being redundant. 1911 can use 9 round mags. 2011 you can't. Why would you want to use a 9 round mag?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Division capacity for ESP is 10+ 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I have them all and that's a good question. Currently shooting the CZ, but in SSP, because I think that's where I think that pistol has the biggest advantage in the IDPA game. I think the 1911 has the advantage in ESP, and the 2011 has the advantages as Limited gun in steel matches where there is no penalty for the 9mm caliber. But arguments could be made for any of them in IDPA ESP, as you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Division capacity for ESP is 10+ 1.Not if your gun comes with 9round mags from the manufacturer. And you must use the 9 rounders through the whole match. 9 round only help on matches that are predominantly 2 shot targets. But I like on Mozambique targets also. You slide lock after head shot and go back to double tap on the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I think you are incorrect. I use a Springfield range officer 9 mm in ESP. It came from the factory with nine round magazines. I use 10 round Tripp mags. This is perfectly legal 8.2.2.2.33. Magazines that are longer than stock may be used provided they meet all other division requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 You are correct Maybe be used not have to be. So 9 round are totally legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Eagle style 2011 in 9 or 40 loaded to 130 PF gets my vote. Kinda like this http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=231885&view=getnewpost Edited May 30, 2016 by racknrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM83 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 The STI Hex Tac is pretty much the ultimate IDPA gun. CK Arms also has an "almost" perfect IDPA gun, but with the glaring omission of a magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 You are correct Maybe be used not have to be. So 9 round are totally legal You would still be required to Barney. So at the very least, you'd be 9+1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Eagle style 2011 in 9 or 40 loaded to 130 PF gets my vote. Kinda like this http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=231885&view=getnewpost That is a very nice looking gun. I live in a stupid state that would make me get 10 round mags for that beautiful gun. And that would be just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 You are correct Maybe be used not have to be. So 9 round are totally legal You would still be required to Barney. So at the very least, you'd be 9+1.Yup you are correct start with 10 rounds. Reload on slidlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 The STI Hex Tac is pretty much the ultimate IDPA gun. CK Arms also has an "almost" perfect IDPA gun, but with the glaring omission of a magwell. Just looked up the gun that's great. Love it. One of these days I would love to shoot a STI and Shadow side by side. Both set up for esp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 CK Arms also has an "almost" perfect IDPA gun, but with the glaring omission of a magwell. I have one of the CK Arms IDPA guns and added an STI Tactical magwell that fits the IDPA Box perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okorpheus Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) I think you are incorrect. I use a Springfield range officer 9 mm in ESP. It came from the factory with nine round magazines. I use 10 round Tripp mags. This is perfectly legal 8.2.2.2.33. Magazines that are longer than stock may be used provided they meet all other division requirements. You are correct, as long as all of the mags you use are 10 round mags. If you use 1 9 round mag, you must load all mags with 9 rounds - though you could start with one of your 10 round mags on loaded start stages to avoid using a barney mag. 8.1.2.2 If a magazine is used that holds less than division capacity, the shooter will load all magazines to the capacity of the lowest magazine throughout the match. Edited May 30, 2016 by okorpheus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hello: A 1911 with a Dawson magwell will reload faster than a CZ Shadow. At least it does for me. A 2011 with a short 9mm bull barrel is a really sweet shooting pistol for IDPA. Add a legal magwell to the 2011 and it is the winner I think. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 I am really thinking about ordering a magwell tomorrow from Dawson. But they have several options. Which one. Should I get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 I would love a 2011 but 3k for one gun is out of the question at the moment. For a while actually. College 2 kids. 5 more year's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 You can pick up a used eagle for roughly $1600. Even a custom one for a little over $2k depending on the builder, options and equipment it may come with. If that's a bit rich for your blood then you can't go wrong with either the 1911 or CZ. Hard to beat a quality 1911 trigger but the mag chute of the CZ would be nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assaultthesalt Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 STI Marauder will do it all ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 If you get the ICE no gap magwell, make sure you get new basepads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 STI Marauder will do it all ! That is a really nice gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Living in the CT I can get only 10rd mags. To get a STI and stuff 10rd that is just wrong lol Spoke to cz custom and they said that their is a problem fitting 10rd mags in to the mag well. I have a excellent custom 1911 that was built and i used for Bianchi cup. That I was about to sell. But now maybe a magwell , FO sights, mag base pads and I am good to go. Edited May 31, 2016 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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