pls4541 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Glock 17 RTF2....big tru-glo sights, ghost connector, lots of bullets. Stuff those mags full and enjoy the game shooting limited!! Lot more fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Because, I am learning too. Why would it not be legal? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Appendix D4 21.3 After-market slides and barrels – provided they are the same length, con- tour and caliber as original factory standard. SLIDES: Current rules remain in effect – You may replace the slide with an OFM or aftermarket slide which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original slide for that model of gun. BARRELS: Current rules remain in effect - you may replace the barrel with an OFM or aftermarket barrel which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original barrel for that model of gun. Special Notes/Clarifications: For purposes of this interpretation, a barrel within +/- 0.1” of OFM is “the same length”. Barrels of the same length, contour and caliber but with different crown profiles are authorized. 21.4 Grips • For semi-automatic Production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) That is where it get crazy though especially in the Glocks. Technically, if you could replace the slide of the with an aftermarket slide, and aftermarket barrel and then what. Especially when it comes to the Glocks. The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. The barrels are the deciding factor(I know barrel cuts in the slide are different). My point is you could cheat the system could you not? Staying completely in the rules Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited February 13, 2016 by Rangerdug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Why would you spend replacing the slide and barrel to shoot a 9 when you can just download and shoot .40 minor? Glock 35 was my production gun until I switched to a stock 2 in .40 cal. .40 minor is soft. Edited February 13, 2016 by bulm540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticks Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That is where it get crazy though especially in the Glocks. Technically, if you could replace the slide of the with an aftermarket slide, and aftermarket barrel and then what. Especially when it comes to the Glocks. The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. The barrels are the deciding factor(I know barrel cuts in the slide are different). My point is you could cheat the system could you not? Staying completely in the rules Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk All of this has been beat to death on this forum and others. Technically, it isn't permitted for USPSA production division. In all likelyhood, no one but you would know. (Forward serrations on some aftermarket slides notwithstanding). However, it MIGHT get noticed at a match large or small and that wouldn't be good. Do yourself a favor and stick within the rules. [/soapbox] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Thanks for the education... Gamers got to Game;) Based on that information buy a 34... then pimp that baby out with everything already mentioned Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igolfat8 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry but a 34 and 35 slide are NOT the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry but a 34 and 35 slide are NOT the same.You planning on finishing the thought? In what way, other then what has been already mentioned different? The barrel diameter is different but we already addressed that? What else? Oh we almost forgot one says 34 and 9mm, the other says 35 and .40.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited February 13, 2016 by Rangerdug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry but a 34 and 35 slide are NOT the same.You planning on finishing the thought? In what way, other then what has been already mentioned different? The barrel diameter is different but we already addressed that? What else? Oh we almost forgot one says 34 and 9mm, the other says 35 and .40.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The 35 slide is heavier than the 34 slide by about 1.5oz. Even with the 17 and 22 where the slides are more similar you still can't use a conversion barrel. You aren't even allowed to take a 22 frame (which is identical to a 17 frame), put a 9mm ejector on it and then put a complete 17 slide on it. Is there any way they could ever know? No, but it's still against the rules. So not sure what you mean by cheating the system, but staying within the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) According to the production rule you can modify the internals... That would mean you could change ejector. Though I have never had an issue keeping the .40 ejector in both G35 or G22 and running 9MM. I am confused however, I don't know what is still being debated. We have stated the rules... My only point was that Glock using aftermarket parts you easily could make a Frankenglock that would or could pass the rules of production. Now, this is only hypothetical, I am not in the lab cooking one up. I love my Glocks, when I first started shooting USPSA, I ignorantly shot production with a 35 and a conversion barrel. I was never questioned on type, only caliber. So this discussion is quite educational. It has made me go back to the rule book myself. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited February 13, 2016 by Rangerdug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That is where it get crazy though especially in the Glocks. Technically, if you could replace the slide of the with an aftermarket slide, and aftermarket barrel and then what. Especially when it comes to the Glocks. The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. The barrels are the deciding factor(I know barrel cuts in the slide are different). My point is you could cheat the system could you not? Staying completely in the rules Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Because then it would be cheating, and not within the rules.While I agree, you could make a Frankenglock that would or could pass, it is against the rules to knowingly do so....or unknowingly do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 According to the production rule you can modify the internals... That would mean you could change ejector. Though I have never had an issue keeping the .40 ejector in both G35 or G22 and running 9MM. I am confused however, I don't know what is still being debated. We have stated the rules... My only point was the Glock using aftermarket parts you easily make a Frankenglock that would or could pass the rules of production. Now, this is only hypothetical, I am not in the lab cooking one up. I love my Glocks, when I first started shooting USPSA, I ignorantly shot production with a 35 and a conversion barrel. I was never questioned on type only caliber. So this discussion is quite educational. It has made me go back to the rule book myself. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mistakes do get made, don't they....does that make you somehow less intelligent because you made the mistake? Or simply that you were screwing with everyone else shooting the matches you shot the Frankeglock in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman1776 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 34. First sights, then play with trigger. If you get a Gen 4 I don't think it needs grip tape. Will want lighter recoil spring, especially if you reload. Most shots are 3-15 yards, the G34 doesn't do anything better at that distance than a G17.Maybe for you. I think I shoot the 34 better at 15 yards. Or it could just all be in my head... Can you explain to an amateur what a lighter recoil spring does? I recently got into reloading and have seen people talk about tailoring loads to match the recoil spring. But I'm lost. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That is where it get crazy though especially in the Glocks. Technically, if you could replace the slide of the with an aftermarket slide, and aftermarket barrel and then what. Especially when it comes to the Glocks. The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. The barrels are the deciding factor(I know barrel cuts in the slide are different). My point is you could cheat the system could you not? Staying completely in the rules Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sure you could cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdug Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 That is where it get crazy though especially in the Glocks. Technically, if you could replace the slide of the with an aftermarket slide, and aftermarket barrel and then what. Especially when it comes to the Glocks. The Glock 34,35,17,17L, and 22 all use the same frame. Outside of the long slides they all use the same slides. The barrels are the deciding factor(I know barrel cuts in the slide are different). My point is you could cheat the system could you not? Staying completely in the rules Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sure you could cheat."If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin" -George WeinerSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Can you explain to an amateur what a lighter recoil spring does? I recently got into reloading and have seen people talk about tailoring loads to match the recoil spring. But I'm lost. It's about changing the recoil impulse to get the front sight back on target faster for quicker follow up shots. With the factory recoil spring most people find that when the slide slams back into battery the heavier recoil spring causes the muzzle to dip below the target which causes it to take longer for the front sight to settle. And most of us are using fast burning powder in our reloads which generate less gas to work the slide. As I mentioned earlier, with my reloads and the factory spring brass just dribbles out of the gun and falls at my feet. Not that big a deal as long as the gun still works though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Cheating is cheating, period, knowingly violating the stated rules, whether or not you understand them, or agree with them. Gaming is knowing the rules and staying within them, right to the razors edge. Newbies always take issue with the rules, why can't "I" do this and that, it's all OEM Glock parts, so it's stupid, wawawa, yada, yada, Try that argument with the RO at a Level 2 match when you get bumped into Open Division, whether you agree with that or not. It will only cost you $100 up front to lodge a protest. Get at least 3 dozen more matches under your belt, get classified, and read the rules again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi2209 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 34 with sights and trigger And grip tape And 13 pound recoil spring this, unless you use factory loads then maybe leave the original recoil spring in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtimelarry Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Put a 13lb ISMI Recoil Spring even if your using Factory Ammo.. It will shoot flatter and the sights will settle faster.. Forget the Factory Recoil Spring, that thing is way too bouncy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPG Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Put a 13lb ISMI Recoil Spring even if your using Factory Ammo.. It will shoot flatter and the sights will settle faster.. Forget the Factory Recoil Spring, that thing is way too bouncy.. Ditto on this. I shoot only factory ammo of various weights (115, 124, 147gr) and use a Jager steel guide rod and 13# ISMI spring in my G34. No issues in thousands of rounds. Only other mods are "-" connector, grip tape and Dawson comp sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Snave Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just to throw my $.02 in... I run a Gen4 G17 with Dawson FO front/Black rear. All stock internals, although I did polish everything up - not sure it made a difference, but I enjoy working on things. I don't need grip tape, either as the Gen4 is plenty rough for me to get a good grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrislovett Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I modified the trigger on my 2 pin G17 by running over 170,000 rounds thru it. That's the most expensive Glock trigger job in history. I just spent $130 on an OC custom triggers after only 250 rounds. Think of what I saved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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