Sarge Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Came across two 5 gal buckets of 45 brass. I started depriming to wet tumble and about 25% of the primers are breaking the heads off. The brass got wet at some point I suppose but otherwise is mostly once fired. Is there a way to reduce the primers separating upon deprime? I have tried going very slow and gentle as well as very jerky. No change in frequency at all. I was wondering if there was some magic trick perhaps. Freezing first? soaking in a solvent? Also, I assume there is no trick or tool to get the sheared off primers out of the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 I don't know about how to keep it from happening, but a primer pocket reamer should get the rest of thr primer out of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBunniFuFu Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Sarge, I recently had a bout of this same thing occurring. About 10-15% of my brass had this happen. One thing I noticed though is that it was always SPP brass. not sure how to fix it though but the reamer does fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 I guess I'll see what a small reamer does since a large shouldn't fit in there with a primer still in there. All LPP so far. Quite annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 This seems to happen when cases have been wet. Somehow part of the cup come out but bits are stuck in the pocket. I don't think there's anytging you can do to return integrity to the primers but heating them a little before decapping might help make the whole primer come out as one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 (edited) The dreaded "ringer", one thing I have found is that when you have one, more are soon to follow. A good reason to keep brass buckets separate and not mix sources. Edited December 24, 2015 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Save the brass with the "ringer" and sell for scrap along with all the expended primers you have saved. Haven't you ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Save the brass with the "ringer" and sell for scrap along with all the expended primers you have saved. Haven't you ????Seems like I get a flat tire when I go to scrap yards so I generally leave stuff out at the curb for the local scrapper family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Park outside a block away and carry it in ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 If you can carry your scrap metal a block it's likely not worth much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Been there done that. They are welded in there with the primer compound. Deprime them all, inspect, and discard. That is the only tried and true method that will not enrage you when trying to prime the cases..... DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Multiple one block trips !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Been there done that. They are welded in there with the primer compound. Deprime them all, inspect, and discard. That is the only tried and true method that will not enrage you when trying to prime the cases..... DougC This. Run them all through to deprime and then hand sort. I bought 5k military 9mm... had to hand sort it all. What a PITA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Had some 38 Special brass that did the same thing, they had been wet also. Ended up chunking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 This has me re-thinking the wet tumbling with the primer in if the brass is not going to be used right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 This has me re-thinking the wet tumbling with the primer in if the brass is not going to be used right away.Yeah, I would not chance it. Not sure how long these cases were out in the elements but the cases don't LOOK bad at all so I don't think it takes much. I have almost 2 full buckets to deprime before wet tumbling and about 1 out of 5 have to be worked out of the shell plate. I can not imagine having these issues during loading on a progressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHunter Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Guys, I don't think the problem with ringers is a problem with the brass getting wet. If this was the case 50% of the brass that I pick up at are range would be useless. I literally pour water out of the cases that I pick up during the early spring and late fall. Does anyone think that the problem could be primer anvils or the punches on the sizing dies. The few cases that I have come about that did contain some ringers did come from a match that we had that day. All that brass was picked up that day and nothing was wet. TDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 Guys, I don't think the problem with ringers is a problem with the brass getting wet. If this was the case 50% of the brass that I pick up at are range would be useless. I literally pour water out of the cases that I pick up during the early spring and late fall. Does anyone think that the problem could be primer anvils or the punches on the sizing dies. The few cases that I have come about that did contain some ringers did come from a match that we had that day. All that brass was picked up that day and nothing was wet. TDH No. I modify all my pins exactly the same. Regardless, if a primer head is separating and leaving a ringer that is a stuck primer and makes no difference what it gets punched with. There are no holes in the primer. The head just shears off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 It is not just getting the cases wet. This happens due to corrosion based on long term being wet and the priming compound deteriorating and glueing in the primer body. If you wet tumble and take a week to deprime no biggie. But from what I have heard you should deprime prior to tumbling so the media doesn't get stuck in the flash hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Never had a problem with stainless media getting stuck in flash hole with primers in place. In the dirt they could stay wet for months, my wet tumbling method has them wet for an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Never had a problem with stainless media getting stuck in flash hole with primers in place. In the dirt they could stay wet for months, my wet tumbling method has them wet for an hour.Do you load them right away or just dry them really good somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 If you use the best size pins they won't stick in the flash hole anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Do you load them right away or just dry them really good somehow? Texas sun, a few thousand layed out and in 2.5 beers not only are they dry, you can't hold them in a bare hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom S. Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm not sure if it's still the case (no pun intended), but military rounds used to be made with the bullets and primers coated with shellac for waterproofing. Even if the cases aren't military crimped, if they are foreign made, could they have some kind of sealant causing the problem? Total shot in the dark (pun intended!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Do you load them right away or just dry them really good somehow?Texas sun, a few thousand layed out and in 2.5 beers not only are they dry, you can't hold them in a bare hand. What is that media separator? Where can you get one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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