lcs Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Lee U die is worth it. It will cure the buldge. From your pics--the ammo is the problem. If you can't get one (sometimes hard to find), then get the push through sizing die. It works. I don't even use case lube anymore. The 650 runs like a clock with pre-sized 40 brass. You installed the AFTEC? Did you modify the firing pin stop correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimberacp Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 my feeling is, seeing your photos, you need more crimp! crimp should be roughly .421 at the mouth case. do not use a gauge, use the barrel chamber as your gauge. as stated earlier, remove the barrel, drop your loads into it. if it does not fall in, apply more crimp to your round, until it falls in and falls out. make sure that the back of the round does stick further out than the barrel hood. you dont need to load at 1.180, anywhere from 1.160 to 1.180 will work, depends your ramp, your magazines, etc. also polishing the ramp is not enough. you have to create a grove onto the ramp, for the bullet to channel its way up into the chamber. most ramps are like a flat wall, the 40sw 180 bullets have a flat shape to them and need some type of grove or channel to feed up. if the angle is too steep, the bullet is just hitting up against a wall. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 The Lee U die is worth it. It will cure the buldge. From your pics--the ammo is the problem. If you can't get one (sometimes hard to find), then get the push through sizing die. It works. I don't even use case lube anymore. The 650 runs like a clock with pre-sized 40 brass. You installed the AFTEC? Did you modify the firing pin stop correctly? To be honest, I will just start the reloading process, no experience yet, i am just buying reloads or factory ammunition. Yes, I already installed the aftec extractor and it run great with good and enough tension to hold the empty brass. I did modify my firing pin block as required in the aftec document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) could it have too much tension. The picture looks like the case can't slide up under the extractor. My open gun did the same. Removing the front spring fixed it. Edited May 21, 2015 by dansedgli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 could it have too much tension. The picture looks like the case can't slide up under the extractor. My open gun did the same. Removing the front spring fixed it. Hi, I will try it again tomorrow. Its hard to remove the aftec extractor. Do you know how to simply remove it? My hand is sore already, tomorrow again. I think you have a point by analyzing the picture. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 could it have too much tension. The picture looks like the case can't slide up under the extractor. My open gun did the same. Removing the front spring fixed it. Hi, I will try it again tomorrow. Its hard to remove the aftec extractor. Do you know how to simply remove it? My hand is sore already, tomorrow again. I think you have a point by analyzing the picture. Thanks. for the mean time, i put an empty brass in the chamber, so that the aftec will loose a bit (hoping). I checked the tension, a bit okay but I will try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 If you are really having issues, add the lee bulge buster with a gutted factory crimp die to a cheap single stage press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Pull the after out a little. Rotate it 180 then slide it out. Install the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman93 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I have a Trojan in .40 as well. With Wilson 10mm mags, I can run anything from factory ammo to reloads at 1.200 OAL. Looking at some of the picks it appears to be ammo related, but I recommend the Wilson 10mm mags once you sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 Jman93, What specific model of wilson do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 If you were in the US, I would volunteer to send a Wilson mag to you for a function test. I tried to go with the Metalform Mags to save a few bucks when I first bought my .40 Trojan, but it was a Jam-o-matic, Wilson mags ($160 US) later and it runs like a top. Of course my Canadian made Para 16.40 runs like a top... Hi Dogtired, Thank you for the input and even for the offer of lending the mag if i am in US. I am planning to buy the corey Tripp mags sooner, I am just trying to see and solve the issues one at a time. In terms of wilson mags, what kind or model of magazine in 40 S&W or 10mm? I am running the 40 mags. I tried to get the Metalform to work but no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Tripp 10mm mags, the Corey Tripp mags are what I use load your ammo to 1.18-1.20 I was shooting 165gr, then switched to 180's and now a 200gr all fed with the Corey/Tripp 10mm competition mags The STI mags do not work, even the Tripp 40s&w mags do not work well loaded long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Tripp 10mm mags, the Corey Tripp mags are what I use load your ammo to 1.18-1.20 I was shooting 165gr, then switched to 180's and now a 200gr all fed with the Corey/Tripp 10mm competition mags The STI mags do not work, even the Tripp 40s&w mags do not work well loaded long I am about to order that magazines: Tripp 10mm Corey Magazines with Hybrid Follower. I am just waiting for another results of my 2 trips in the shooting range in regards to my issues and waiting for the replacement mags. From there, if there is no improvement, I have no choice but to burn $$$ again for the said magazines. I am hoping this tripp mags will work or I will send back my pistol to STI for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericjhuber Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'm using the Tripp 10mm Corey System mags for my 1911 for USPSA Single Stack. They work great, but they required some break-in of the springs to really get into the groove with them. So if they don't work flawlessly out of the box, don't be too concerned. It might just take some break-in just like any new pistol. I started out with a brand new 1911 with brand new Tripp mags and had some early failure to feed issues that went away pretty quickly. I was also very happy with Tripp customer service when it came to helping me select the mags and teaching me what to expect during the break-in period. If you do have issues with the mags, Tripp will work with you to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnettcw1 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I have had two late model STI Sentry's in 40 with similar issues. After speaking with Virgil at Tripp Research, he did his "reliability package" on both. I think the cost was about $150 each. Both run perfectly now with factory ammo length up to 1.20. I had tried all variations of ammo length and Tripp magazines with less than perfect results. I should have sent them to Virgil as soon as I got them, it would have been much cheaper and saved a lot of headaches. Good luck in your quest, it can be a little frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 What does the reliability package involve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhounder Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 What does the reliability package involve? Also interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnettcw1 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 According to Virgil, he lengthens the feed ramp and recuts the angle to make it shallower since the 40 has a smaller diameter. I have several thousand thru them since his work and have never had a failure to feed issue using 1.15 ammo (mostly because the Tripp 40 mags will not hold anything longer than 1.16). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhounder Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 According to Virgil, he lengthens the feed ramp and recuts the angle to make it shallower since the 40 has a smaller diameter. I have several thousand thru them since his work and have never had a failure to feed issue using 1.15 ammo (mostly because the Tripp 40 mags will not hold anything longer than 1.16). Thanks, emailed him already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffgats Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Orbit, If you have the time, call Roger Kotanko of Dark International- Port Dover. Your experience with your 40sw and 9mm in single stock is very common. 100% he can fix your problem, btw, Roger only works in evenings and or you can see him every Tuesday night at Burlington Gun Club Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Friends, Updates for my STI Trojan 5 40 S&W pistol after a bit of tuning and range time: 1. Clean all regular matalform 40 S&W magazines and make sure all lips and opening conformed with standard dimensions 2. Polished the ramp, ramp sides or edges, 360 deg sides and throat/chamber 3. Fire a couple of hundred rounds (1.128" OAL - factory dimension for both reloads and factory), total = 750 rounds 4. Properly re-install the SVI trigger bow Results: After shooting and tuning up, the pistol ran flawlessly in terms of accuracy, trigger pull, cycle and for the entire range time, I only had 1 FTF (magazine #5). I keep on repeating to use the #5 magazine, and it ran good. After a deep analysis, the nose-up is like this: Screen Shot 2015-06-01 at 11.51.03 AM.pdf The back part of the ammo wasn't yet out of the magazine and didn't even touch the breach face and extractor. It seems that the nose of the ammo was released immaturely after the slide went back from the action and prevent the slide from moving forward to cycle. I think this is really a magazine related issue or ammo. But when I use it again for several times, zero jam or no nose up. Edited June 1, 2015 by Orbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Orbit, If you have the time, call Roger Kotanko of Dark International- Port Dover. Your experience with your 40sw and 9mm in single stock is very common. 100% he can fix your problem, btw, Roger only works in evenings and or you can see him every Tuesday night at Burlington Gun Club Francis Do you have a contact number or email of Roger? Please PM it to me at orbit1785@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 According to Virgil, he lengthens the feed ramp and recuts the angle to make it shallower Had to do the same thing on my new Para 1640 to get it to feed. My STI Trojan 40 never needed it, guess they got it right the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Updates: The replacement Metalform magazines from STI Texas arrived today (3 pcs). One thing is noticeable, the metal of the replacement ones are thick and well polish. THE ONE THAT I BOUGHT ARE THIN METAL & SEMI POLISH. Same brand & maker but different quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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