grouse Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Looking at a couple aftermarket triggers Do you prefer single or two stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrocDowns Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I prefer a 2 stage like my AR Gold, the first stage is barely noticeable though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganbillJ Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 2 stage here as well but everyone is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I have several rifles with several triggers in them. On my NRA service rifles I have a two stage Krieger and a rock river. Both are 4.5lb triggers. Both have long first stages and a noted stop before the second. I tried shooting with the RR in my first three gun rifle and I did not like the long travel. For the action shooting disciplines I prefer a single stage trigger that's not too light. My 3G rifle right now has a CMC and its been working well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Another vote for AR Gold. Doesn't feel like a 2stage trigger as much as a 1911 type trigger in a rifle. Short, light takeup then a crisp break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Single stage like a JP or Timney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Looking at cmc http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3054292178/cmc-triggers-tactical-drop-in-trigger-group-ar-15-small-pin-154-single-stage-matte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 There is a difference between creep and a stage on a trigger. My understanding is that an AR gold trigger is a single stage trigger. Can someone enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Get the one you like the most...try them. I like single stage personally. I have tried to "test" a bunch of different triggers from 2 to 4.5 pounds, from $90 to $300 and honestly, there is not a lot of difference in a 3Gun rifle. I could not come up with an accuracy or speed difference between okay triggers and what I think are the best triggers. Offhand from 100 to 150 yards is about the only place I think it really matters, and I could not derive a statistical difference benefiting one trigger over another. When I test comps and BCGs, I can see the difference in groups and or the timer easily, not so with triggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHMSA15151 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 According to their website it is two stage trigger but with very short and light first stage. I have one in my 3gun rifle and love it. It has a very short and consistent reset which I find important for 3gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Single stage. Preferably with a straight trigger, not curved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptoid Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) There is a difference between creep and a stage on a trigger. My understanding is that an AR gold trigger is a single stage trigger. Can someone enlighten me. Technically it would be considered a two stage. First stage on mine is short and about 3 ounces (think take-up rather than stage, with no movement of sear). Second stage is no creep glass break at 2.8 lbs. on my trigger pull gauge. Reset is very short. Some complain they can't "feel" the reset. Probably just a personal preference thing. I personally don't notice the lack of "feel" during rapid fire and I have never had a malfunction or "short-stroked" the trigger. In my experience a very fast, precise, and safe trigger. "Creep" is when there is perceptible movement of the sear prior to hammer release Edited April 8, 2015 by reptoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I like the 2 stage, but it is defiantly a personal thing. Try some and figure out what YOU like. I feel the trigger is probably the most important add on to a rifle, assuming it shoots decent and the sights/scope work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 RJH, have you honestly shoot on the clock with a variety of triggers? There really are not any of the "popular" triggers that are bad. The timer says the difference is minimal if not insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Mark, Only a few, I was talking about the feel, mainly. And I do think on the farther shots the trigger does matter a lot. If it didn't everyone would use mil-spec triggers, maybe you do:-) And I didn't say that there were any "bad" triggers, only that I prefer 2 stage and that the OP should try several and see what he preferred, instead of going with the "my trigger is the best trigger" crap you usually get on the internet. Also Mark ,I reread your original post and I basically agreed with everything you said, so I really don't understand your question. Edited April 8, 2015 by RJH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 RJH, just asking if you have been able to see the difference, on the clock, everything else as a constant, between various triggers. Maybe I am mixing you up with someone else, but I thought you may have been the person who did some drills just swapping out triggers. I have one Mil-spec trigger, just so I can remind myself. At one point, I had all JP, then I started trying others and more and more. There are a few that I think come out of adjustment a little more than others, some that break a little more than others, but I think I have 6 different triggers now and while I have a few I prefer, I know that the choice of a "decent" trigger over another, has almost no impact on my scoresheet. Won't keep me from fiddling with the new Rise Armament trigger sitting on the bench or the other one that is coming in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It wasn't me, I have done a little testing, and agree that the on the clock the hoser type targets the trigger doesn't matter a huge amount. Where I do find the difference is on the longer shots and the mid range off hand, like you mentioned. Those seem to be the targets where the crappy trigger can defiantly add to the time on the clock;-) Also I do believe any trigger that a person prefers is the right one for them and there is no one best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It wasn't me, I have done a little testing, and agree that the on the clock the hoser type targets the trigger doesn't matter a huge amount. Where I do find the difference is on the longer shots and the mid range off hand, like you mentioned. Those seem to be the targets where the crappy trigger can defiantly add to the time on the clock;-) Also I do believe any trigger that a person prefers is the right one for them and there is no one best. +1 on this post. Long shots, tight placement shots, and offhand shots are what drove me to try different triggers and find the attributes I prefer for those. For hoser stages, pretty much any aftermarket trigger can be run fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnguyenpdx Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 +1 2 stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
believeraz Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 MarkCO, I'm curious out of your variety, what are your favorite triggers for 3g? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Jard drop in, downside is proprietary safety. Positive reset, adjustable and very durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel1841 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I really like the feel and the price on the JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I like the original style JP triggers a lot and I have a few. But I have found they take a bit more maintenance than the Jard. I change the springs and re-tune at about 10K. That is not bad at all, just something to be aware of. I am sure there are other triggers that need an overhaul at 10K or less as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBOT5000 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Wow. Blondes, Brunettes or Redheads. My advice is try them all and then try them all again to be sure. If possible try them together and then side by side. I've run geiselle 2 stage triggers, JP triggers, RRA NM two stage, and I'm now running a hiperfire 24c. Under stress most trigger pulls are barely felt. The NYPD uses ridicuous triggers in their guns and they seem (albeit sometimes not that accurate) just fine. Two stage triggers are great for long range and they add a little padding during a tactical situation when you may be tightening the trigger before you want to shoot. Most people run single stage triggers because they can be set to the bleeding edge before they go bang. Anyway for my money try a hiperfire, I also just tried the new elf 3 gun trigger and the KE arms triggers and they are sick. Also blondes are fun to test drive but after 10 years you will be trading them in. JF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeb10 Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Two stage, I like having the trigger travel for its tactile feedback in colder environments, wearing gloves, on longer precision shots, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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