Malarkey Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Since the regular SP-01 is very much a duty/service pistol, do you think it should be allowed in the SSP divison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntenseImage Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) It is ... So uh, yes? Edited March 20, 2015 by IntenseImage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malarkey Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Actually the more i research it, i think that it is SSP legal. Looking at the rule book under SSP i don't see the full length dust cover limitation anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 it is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f2benny Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I think the weight is over out of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntenseImage Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 No ... SSP is 43oz. The SP-01 is under that (40.x) I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) My SP01 Shadow with the extended thumb safeties, original style 85 combat trigger, stock rubber grips, CGW stainless guide rod, CZC stainless steel mag brake, CZC Competition hammer, CGW Disconnector, CGW extended firing pin, CZC Competition sights, extended mag release, and 16 round mags with rubber basepads weighs just a hair over 42 ounces. It is legal for SSP and production. Edited March 22, 2015 by himurax13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangin Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'm running the same mods as Himurax13 but with DAA thick grips with a Mecgar 17 round mag and my SP01 on my scale mine weighs 41.5 ounces. Well under weight for SSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horus Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So looking to get one for both Idpa and production. I look up SP01 and there's like Several phantom, accushadow and such. So which ones are IDPA legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Accu-Shadow and Shadow-Targets are not legal for SSP. ACCU because of the slide was machined for the bushing by a non CZ-UB, and ditto for the Shadow-Target because a non CZ-UB machined the slide for the LPA adjustable rear sight. However any of the CZ-75 Shadows (no rail) with sights using the stock dovetail is legal, as are any of the CZ-75 SP-01 Shadows with sights that use the stock dovetail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Is the Accu-Shadow ESP legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangin Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Is the Accu-Shadow ESP legal? The Accu-Shadow lite is esp legal. But the Accu with the full rail is not because of the rail with the barrel bushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W686 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Thank you hangin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Is the Accu-Shadow ESP legal? Not the SP01 flavor. The SP01/Shadow must be able to qualify in SSP first in order to play in ESP due to the full length steel dustcover. SInce the Acu Shadow bushing was not installed by the factory, it would be considered an external modification and cannot play in SSP which in turn prevents it from being used in ESP. If you had the Acu Shadow Lite, or a CTS Longslide Acu Shadow that was built on the 75SA frame (without a full length steel dustcover) then you could use them for ESP. Edited March 25, 2015 by himurax13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Is the Accu-Shadow ESP legal? The Accu-Shadow lite is esp legal. But the Accu with the full rail is not because of the rail with the barrel bushing. ESP actually doesn't allow full length dust covers (still). For an SP01 to be run in ESP, it has to satisfy all of the requirements for SSP, which means no mag well and if it had slide machinging it's not SSP legal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyPlague Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Is the accu bushing clear for ESP? I havent found anything that says one way or the other, except for the full-length-dustcover issue of the SP-01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 My SP01 Shadow with the extended thumb safeties, original style 85 combat trigger, stock rubber grips, CGW stainless guide rod, CZC stainless steel mag brake, CZC Competition hammer, CGW Disconnector, CGW extended firing pin, CZC Competition sights, extended mag release, and 16 round mags with rubber basepads weighs just a hair over 42 ounces. It is legal for SSP and production. It's my understanding that the uspsa shadow weight is 39oz so at 42 with all the extras you've added is over the legal 2oz extra for the production division. Please let me know if I have missed something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) My SP01 Shadow with the extended thumb safeties, original style 85 combat trigger, stock rubber grips, CGW stainless guide rod, CZC stainless steel mag brake, CZC Competition hammer, CGW Disconnector, CGW extended firing pin, CZC Competition sights, extended mag release, and 16 round mags with rubber basepads weighs just a hair over 42 ounces. It is legal for SSP and production.It's my understanding that the uspsa shadow weight is 39oz so at 42 with all the extras you've added is over the legal 2oz extra for the production division. Please let me know if I have missed something I guess you havent read the new IDPA rule book. It has been in effect since March. There are quite a few changes, the flat foot reloading is one of them. Edited May 19, 2015 by himurax13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Sorry but I'm new to uspsa and the only rule book I see is from fed 2014 which states in appendix E that a production gun can weight up to 2oz over approved weight. Can you please point me to this new rule you speak of. U would love to be able to add more weight to my gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Sorry but I'm new to uspsa and the only rule book I see is from fed 2014 which states in appendix E that a production gun can weight up to 2oz over approved weight. Can you please point me to this new rule you speak of. U would love to be able to add more weight to my gun.I believe the SP01 Shadow is (1180g) 41.6 ounces stock. So there is a 2 ounce leeway from there.I believe the standard SP01 is listed at 2.4 lbs. If that is the weight without the mag, that would make sense. A standard Sp01 should weigh around 39 ounces without a mag. Edited May 19, 2015 by himurax13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I realize what the website says as far as weight but the irrelevant. The approved gun and offical stock weight is listed on the uspsa approved gun list and the shadow duo is listed as 39oz. Therefore 41oz is the max allowable weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I would also assume the published weight included empty mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 1. You might do well to ask before you buy. 2. This is the IDPA forum, USPSA Production is not exactly the same as IDPA SSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixty Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yes this is an idpa post but the poster mentioned production legal as well which is why I brought up the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Sorry but I'm new to uspsa and the only rule book I see is from fed 2014 which states in appendix E that a production gun can weight up to 2oz over approved weight. Can you please point me to this new rule you speak of. U would love to be able to add more weight to my gun.I believe the SP01 Shadow is (1180g) 41.6 ounces stock. So there is a 2 ounce leeway from there.I believe the standard SP01 Shadow is listed at 2.4 lbs. If that is the weight without the mag, that would make sense. A standard Sp01 should weigh around 39 ounces without a mag. I would also assume the published weight included empty mag.Considering that a bone stock SP01 weighs slightly more than 41 ounces with a magazine, I would say that is incorrect.The only way to get an SP01 to 39 ounces is to use plastic grips, plastic guide rod, RAMI safeties, and maybe the crappy 10 round mag with the long plastic bottom. Even then it will be close. The stock rubber grips are the heaviest ones that you can run in SSP/Production. However, I am talking about a Shadow so the 2.4 lb listing doesn't apply. Edited May 19, 2015 by himurax13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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