Sarge Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Just heard you can not use a magazine in a Walkthrough because it is a gun replica. Did the rule on this change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 8.7.2 Competitors are prohibited from using any guns or gun replicas as sighting aids while conducting their inspection (“walkthrough”) of a course of fire. Violations will The way I was taught is you can't hold anything, that could be a sighting aid, in your hand and sight targets. Bottle of water, magazine, etc. Not the way I read it but.......... Who is to say a bottle of water is not a gun replica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Ktm I appreciate the response but I think you were taught wrong for Uspsa. IPSC i believe do not allow you to hold anything. Pretty sure you can hold a magazine. At least that used to be the case. I just heard in a class that it is now prohibited and I just don't recall hearing that. Me and some others do it all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 In 2004, you could not use a mag: "8.7.4 Competitors are prohibited from using any sighting aid (e.g. thewhole or part of an imitation or replica firearm, any part of a realfirearm including any accessories thereof etc.), except for theirown hands, while conducting their inspection (“walkthrough”) ofa course of fire. Violations will incur one procedural penalty peroccurrence (also see Rule 10.5.1)." 10 years later this is the rule: "8.7.2 Competitors are prohibited from using any guns or gun replicas as sighting aids while conducting their inspection (“walkthrough”) of a course of fire. Violations will incur one procedural penalty per occurrence (also see Rule 10.5.1)." I did not see any rulings on the NROI siite to make me believe that mags are prohibited. Later, Chuck PS: IPSC requires empty hands. (Ask Blake ) "8.7.2 Competitors are prohibited from using any sighting aid (e.g. the whole or part of an imitation or replicafirearm, any part of a real firearm including any accessories thereof etc.), except for their own hands, whileconducting their inspection ("walkthrough") of a course of fire. Violations will incur one procedural penaltyper occurrence (also see Rule 10.5.1)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parallax3D Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Ktm I appreciate the response but I think you were taught wrong for Uspsa. IPSC i believe do not allow you to hold anything. Pretty sure you can hold a magazine. At least that used to be the case. I just heard in a class that it is now prohibited and I just don't recall hearing that. Me and some others do it all the time Didn't Blake Miguez get dinged at World Shoot a few years ago for holding a towel in his hand during the walk through? I believe the IPSC rule is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac4wordplay Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ... PS: IPSC requires empty hands. (Ask Blake ) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVENJ121 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Blake did get dinged in ipsc Blakes Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This is interesting! I was also under the impression that in USPSA you were not allowed anything in your hand during the walk through. If that is really just for IPSC and in USPSA you are allowed to use a magazine or something that is not a gun, that would be a great advantage to those that did this vs those that did not! If we can come to a certain answer, I'm going to start using the mag during walk through for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 The certain answer is it's legal in USPSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Sweet! I'll start trying it at my match tomorrow, then when the old timers start complaining I'll sight 8.7.2 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillD Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Why would it be a great advantage to hold a mag in your hand during walkthrough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineerEli Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It all comes down to personal preference, but when doing a walk through, I like to have my hands in a 'shooting grip'. this is much harder to do with nothing in your hands, and the gun has some girth. I have found that treating your walk through as closely to your actual run yields better results. Helps with the muscle memory for the particular stage/movements. It would allow you to simulate reloads better to, ans you could use an actually mag and 'reload' into your fist. Or it may all just be in my head, lol. Either way, I have seen a GM I shoot with do this some times, and was never about to jump in and tell him I though he was breaking the rules, but I guess this is why he does so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I do it sometimes to feel some weight if there are a lot of side to side movements. I use a full 20rd mag. I though IPSC did away with that rule that you couldn't have *anything* in your hands. A towel is hardly a good sighting aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I have my GoPro integrated laser cam uploading target position and distance to my computerized G17 during the walk thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I have that system also. Problem is, you still have to aim the darn thing and pull the trigger properly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I have that system also. Problem is, you still have to aim the darn thing and pull the trigger properly! Yea, but it's the Beta version. We have already dropped that concept in favor of Laser integrated Google glasses, which presents a virtual re-animated reality of the stage, after recording the walk thru. Like the matrix, all you have to do is pull the trigger, aiming is corrected by the software in the glasses, and it has a real time feed back control loop. The break thru technology was nano composite titanium boron barrels (statically unstable, but dynamically stable), which are electrically stimulated by the software to 'bend' the barrel towards the A zone. Not quite like the last shot memory placement from the 5th Element, but that's the upgrade......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Gotta get me one of those. I guess it would work in all divisions, so I'd only need one. Of course, all of us being GMs would take all the fun out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue edge Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Befor the rule changed people would buy an extra STI/SV grip and walk the stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Befor the rule changed people would buy an extra STI/SV grip and walk the stage That's interesting. Based on what I have been told through official channels the primary intent of the rule is to not allow sights so that nobody gets an unfair advantage. So, if that's the case a grip should not make any more difference than holding a mag in hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Befor the rule changed people would buy an extra STI/SV grip and walk the stage That's interesting. Based on what I have been told through official channels the primary intent of the rule is to not allow sights so that nobody gets an unfair advantage. So, if that's the case a grip should not make any more difference than holding a mag in hand? Having lived through both rule revisions, you're partly correct Kevin. When IPSC changed the rule for the 2004 rulebook, that was indeed one of their concerns. We did not modify that particular rule; the 2004 rulebook was the last to have U.S. rule exemptions printed following a number of the rules. For 2008 when we created our very own USPSA rulebook, the focus simply on preventing tapers and range officials from having to decide if the on deck shooter was using a prop or a real gun during their walk through. We didn't want anyone wondering. It was about safety, not sight pictures at that point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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