ronin45230 Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 TACTICAL SHOOTING ASSOCIATION where do i sign up......... sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 TACTICAL SHOOTING ASSOCIATION I like this part: Holster Retention: ALL holsters must retain the weapon securely. The RSO’s can require that the shooter perform a forward and backward roll to test retention at any time. If the shooter cannot roll (for whatever reason) he can opt to remove the holster, wherein, the RSO will test the holster for retention by turning the holster upside down with the loaded weapon in it. If the weapon stays in the holster, you are good to go. If the gun falls out, you will receive a 20 second FTDR (Failure To Do Right) penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 I do not understand why they don't allow HP bullets in handguns. I certainly don't "carry" ball ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 It's in the faq's. They are concerned about splatter from steel. That and they tell a story where not using a jhp maybe saved the life of a guy who ND'ed into his thigh. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 STarting a new thread under Other Shooting Sports Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Maybe it's so when the RO flips your loaded-pistol-n-holster upside down and it falls on the ground there's less risk of dying? Seriously, I don't get the "no JHP's on steel" mantra. They disintigrate better on hitting steel. That means frags, but much smaller and less effective ones, plus they follow the plane of the plate (which is bad if you have plates with right-angle feet, btw). FMJ's come off steel in big chunks and in more random directions. Ow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 Who is D.R. Middlebrooks? I do not know this guy, but I get a sense he may be a Tactical Ted/Mall Ninja type. I could be completely wrong, just a feeling I get from reading their Forum. Do we really need another monarchy? Shades of IDPA. I found their "logic" behind HP ammo. Makes no sense to me at all. People have been shooting steel targets with HPs for decades in IPSC and more recently IDPA. All of that being said I do like some of their rules. The 100% behind cover rule is kind of dumb. I guess I cannot get shot while I am shooting from cover only when I am reloading. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 Does the RSO get a DQ if your loaded gun falls from the holster while he is testing it for retention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Who is D.R. Middlebrooks? I do not know this guy, but I get a sense he may be a Tactical Ted/Mall Ninja type. I could be completely wrong, just a feeling I get from reading their Forum.Do we really need another monarchy? Shades of IDPA. Joe, haven't you been here long enough to remember DRM? Anyway. Google "fist-fire" then never mention it here again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 I guess I became a bit concerned when I saw this guy quoting himself on their forum. He must be his own greatest fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Joe, You know his protege' Daniel Horner. 2004 IDPA ESP Champion. He also won the 2004 SE regional in ESP which you attended. Mayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 On the other hand Dave Sevigny and Daniel Horner beat me like a drum at the IDPA matches. I never paid much attention to Daniel Horner's grip, but I always thought Dave used "funny" grip. Must work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I think the grip is like a reverse weaver. But I watched him at the TN match since we squaded together and I would say it appeared to me that he has evolved into more of a pure isoscelese. I certainly don't want this to erode into another DRM/FIST Fire thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I shot on the same squad as Daniel Horner at Steel Challenge. When he shoots it looks looks a heck of a lot like an aimed-fire Isoceles to me, but what do I know? It's the individual nuances that make a good grip great. Of course there are also old pictures of Jack Weaver shooting what looks like an ISO stance too.. the whole bent-arm thing was so he could get 'bladed' to the target... Don't make me post the 'stance is irrelevant' 50 AE videos again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Latest Holster Rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted February 22, 2005 Author Share Posted February 22, 2005 Guess we did drift a bit there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Don't look at me this time! I'm innocent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Don't look at me this time! I'm innocent! Not guilty maybe, but never innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Touche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Well...now you are guilty. <insert Drill SGT. voice here> Punisher yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Mom said not to do that again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 RSO will test the holster for retention by turning the holster upside down with the loaded weapon in it. If the weapon stays in the holster, you are good to go. If the gun falls out, you will receive a 20 second FTDR (Failure To Do Right) penalty And if the gun ADs when it hits the ground, and kills someone, it's a 25 second penalty. Oy gevalt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iweiny Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I like this part:Holster Retention: ALL holsters must retain the weapon securely. The RSO’s can require that the shooter perform a forward and backward roll to test retention at any time. If the shooter cannot roll (for whatever reason) he can opt to remove the holster, wherein, the RSO will test the holster for retention by turning the holster upside down with the loaded weapon in it. If the weapon stays in the holster, you are good to go. If the gun falls out, you will receive a 20 second FTDR (Failure To Do Right) penalty I may be new but this does seem incredibly dangerous... Although my wife notes that a loaded weapon would have more weight and therefore might fall free differently than an un-loaded one? Ira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 We were talking about that yesterday at the range. FWIW, IDSA's test of having the shooter lean far forward seems to be a safer and easier to administer test. Though I hammed up a match once and did a forward roll before drawing, so i know my holster would pass TSA's retention test. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 No, we had six shooters at the match (it was in 2.5' of snow) and I did the roll parralel to the firing line. Worked it out with the Md ahead of time. Besides, gun was in the holster till afterwards. Never seen anyone DQ'ed for sweeping while the gun was in the hoslter. IF so, half the women shooters with FBI tilt holsters would get DQ'ed the minute they LAMR. Wouldn't DQ for someone tripping and falling down on his tummy while holstered? Would you?I'll guarantee he covered some people as he went down but there was no way the gun will go bang either. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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