RaylanGivens Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Why don't Limited shooters want the last round to lock back the slide? I'm a Production shooter thinking about moving up to Limited division. It seems natural to want the slide to lock back when it's empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I used to think the same thing. In all reality most mags will lock back prematurely in a limited gun if they are setup for max capacity. Also if you've run your limited gun dry, it's all gone to hell anyway. Mine are now setup to hold 21rds and not lock back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Here is an article from Brazos website that does a pretty good job of explaining it. http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/0505.htm My mags hold 20 rounds reloadable. Even for a 22-24 round stage, I'm changing magazines at 8 or 16 rounds into the stage. The only time i wanted my slide to lock back was when shooting Limited 10 for the ProAm Shooting competition. Stage planning should be that you are never, ever surprised by the slide locking back. Unless you are doing a 20 round stage with 21 in the gun with a bunch of steel, and then, you should pre-plan your magazine change and not run dry shooting at steel. If you end up out of ammo, by the time you figure out your gun didnt go BANG, then cycle the slide (thinking you have a bad round), then realize you are out of ammo, THEN drop the mag, grab a new one, Cycle the slide.....You should just take the Mike at that point. If you can't makeup a Mike in less than 3 seconds, your points 'usually' work better to take the Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) if I remember right it is to prevent mag overinsertion which in turn prevents breaking your ejector and I think that is what the Brazos article talks about Edited August 19, 2014 by polymerfeelsweirdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Here is an article from Brazos website that does a pretty good job of explaining it. http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/0505.htm My mags hold 20 rounds reloadable. Even for a 22-24 round stage, I'm changing magazines at 8 or 16 rounds into the stage. The only time i wanted my slide to lock back was when shooting Limited 10 for the ProAm Shooting competition. Stage planning should be that you are never, ever surprised by the slide locking back. Unless you are doing a 20 round stage with 21 in the gun with a bunch of steel, and then, you should pre-plan your magazine change and not run dry shooting at steel. If you end up out of ammo, by the time you figure out your gun didnt go BANG, then cycle the slide (thinking you have a bad round), then realize you are out of ammo, THEN drop the mag, grab a new one, Cycle the slide.....You should just take the Mike at that point. If you can't makeup a Mike in less than 3 seconds, your points 'usually' work better to take the Mike. Thanks, Trent... all good points... I appreciate the response and the link... I didn't realize there were also mechanical reasons not to lock back the slide... Lots more to shooting Limited than I originally anticipated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent1k1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I started shooting Single Stack (cuz I had one), and I think that was very good for my first year to learn to break down stages and learn to reload. In Limited, the speed seems to be so much faster, the competition is, at my club at least, stiffer and it is very possible to have a reliable gun. I can easily go 5k rounds without a gun malfunction and it is almost always my bullets that caused the problems. I broke an extractor, but other than that I have a basically stock 'Edge' that keeps running. Open looks like fun, but you need to have a reliable gun. Good luck, I'm sure you will enjoy Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk4 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I set mine up to lock back. It is a pain, especially when you are setting up multiple mags to work with 2 or 3 different guns. I bet that is why most builders don't do it. If I have to take a few extra shots before my planned load, shoot dry, but don't realize it because the slide didn't lock back. You throw a reload get to the next array and "click". Totally avoidable with mags that lock back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 1. My SVI mags are easier to reload with 21 rounds when the followers have been trimmed of the little tab that actuates the slide stop. 2. On occasion the follower can slip over the slide stop tab, which means the mag won't drop free when reloading. On the rare occasion that I run the gun dry, I'd rather have the mag drop free and have to rack the slide than have to strip the mag (usually with another mag in my hand) and then release the slide with the slide stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parallax3D Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 If I have to take a few extra shots before my planned load, shoot dry, but don't realize it because the slide didn't lock back. You throw a reload get to the next array and "click". Totally avoidable with mags that lock back. That's simply poor planning. If I have to take extra shots that I didn't plan for, I reload immediately. That's WHY I have extra mags on my belt. Even a standing reload is not as bad as running a gun dry or to slide lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 if i understand correctly, and i am a LONG way from being a gunsmith, slidelock reloads give the chance to damage the ejector when slamming the new mag home with slide locked back. when shooting Limited it's a moot point as noted above as there is generally ample opportunity to reload between target arrays or the like while moving and not shooting. where it becomes a problem with a 2011 is if one shoots L-10, IDPA or some steel matches that only let you load 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 (edited) I shoot open,(3 gun only) not many reloads, but I can tell with ALL 3 guns as soon as the shot is fired, I KNOW whether the gun is empty or not. If I shoot to slide lock it is never a surprise. Different sound, diferent recoil , last shot is always different than the other - 24 SG, 27 P, 30-42-60 R Edited August 20, 2014 by toothandnail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 This thread makes me want to bust out my Limited gun pretty soon. That said, I don't think it matters if a limited gun locks back or not. Mine does, and it is plenty reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 If I have to take a few extra shots before my planned load, shoot dry, but don't realize it because the slide didn't lock back. You throw a reload get to the next array and "click". Totally avoidable with mags that lock back. That's simply poor planning. If I have to take extra shots that I didn't plan for, I reload immediately. That's WHY I have extra mags on my belt. Even a standing reload is not as bad as running a gun dry or to slide lock. So if you take make ups you change your stage planning? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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