jester121 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 There's an interesting discussion over on the official USPSA forum, apparently Phil called a special board meeting to eject the Area 6 director from his position. http://www.uspsa.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1259&page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Another "executive meeting". No minutes. No info. Once again I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 IBTL (and D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Why ? Btl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 USPSA -- incompetence at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Why ? Btl No Political topics on BEnos. House Rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That's not a bad thing. It will make the ushering of a new organization easier. This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Like I said once before, HQ is so out of control it's almost laughable. I still can't get over the ED posting on FB pictures of herself and people telling her how beautiful she is as the USPSA world is crumbling all around her. Reminds me of a boss I had for a very short time who used to try to chew people out while twirling her hair an popping bubbles with her gum. Nobody paid one bit of attention to her. Totally out of touch with no idea how to get things straightened out. I think the whole HQ needs purged and rebooted. I would say write some emails demanding answers but I still have never gotten any replies to my questions months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Outlaw matches to become the norm, everywhere, in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I guess "hope and change" is coming to practical shooting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkm Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I just spit my coffee out. I guess "hope and change" is coming to practical shooting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) That's not a bad thing. It will make the ushering of a new organization easier. This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. A new organization you say???Why even have a new organization? So just like USPSA HQ, it will stick its grubby little paws into a local club's match fees and extract a $3 tax per shooter? A new organization to set up an even less transparent and more complex classifier system with never gonna get published high hit factors? I think former USPSA MD's and clubs would just hold outlaw matches instead, keep all of their match fees and hum Janet Jackson's tune "What have you done for me lately?" while they count their money and are able to put more of it back into their clubs/props/steel/etc. Edited July 31, 2014 by Chills1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) The only problem with "outlaw" is that the VAST majority of clubs have insurance that only allows them to run a match under a nationally recognized organization and or accepted ruleset. Yes, the majority of clubs that do still run "outlaw" matches either don't care, or have not read their insurance policy. Edited August 1, 2014 by MarkCO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 "accepted ruleset", by that one might assume a ruleset could be put together and the club then accept it and that would cover the requirement ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The only problem with "outlaw" is that the VAST majority of clubs have insurance that only allows them to run a match under a nationally recognized organization and or accepted ruleset. Yes, the majority of clubs that do still run "outlaw" matches either don't care, or have not read their insurance policy. I find this incredibly hard to believe. Have a sample policy you'd care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So a few guys, say 10 of them, can't get together in the middle of the week and have a practice session either, kinda like a pick up baketball game? How does that get defined? Or where is that line drawn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Sorry, I seem to have driven the OP off into the weeds...RE posts 15-18...ask your club to read their policy, or send me a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 That's not a bad thing. It will make the ushering of a new organization easier. This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. A new organization you say???Why even have a new organization? So just like USPSA HQ, it will stick its grubby little paws into a local club's match fees and extract a $3 tax per shooter? A new organization to set up an even less transparent and more complex classifier system with never gonna get published high hit factors? I think former USPSA MD's and clubs would just hold outlaw matches instead, keep all of their match fees and hum Janet Jackson's tune "What have you done for me lately?" while they count their money and are able to put more of it back into their clubs/props/steel/etc. How do think the computers and software licenses are paid for. I'm sure our yearly membership dues don't cover it. Not sure about your club, but we get charged a fee for using the range. I do agree the classifier system needs visibility. The BOD has the power! If we want change- Elect ADs that are not part of the good ole boy program. Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaute Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Agreed. Though, easier said than done. Just look at the current president and members of the BOD. The BOD has the power! If we want change- Elect ADs that are not part of the good ole boy program. Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 In reality, which is a hard place for USPSA to operate, USPSA is looking at a lawsuit and USPSA being tied up for lots of dollars and a long time if he goes through with this, and is successful. Because the by laws are so imprecise. Regardless of the outcome, no one will have confidence in him or anyone, really. It is a really dumb move, which I think speaks volumes about leadership. This also should be an in person meeting, and counsel should be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 How do think the computers and software licenses are paid for. Apparently not out of the Computer budget; according to Jay Corn the computer money was used for salaries and contracts, and that's what started this whole mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's starting to sound like arfcom up in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 That's not a bad thing. It will make the ushering of a new organization easier. This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. A new organization you say???Why even have a new organization? So just like USPSA HQ, it will stick its grubby little paws into a local club's match fees and extract a $3 tax per shooter? A new organization to set up an even less transparent and more complex classifier system with never gonna get published high hit factors? I think former USPSA MD's and clubs would just hold outlaw matches instead, keep all of their match fees and hum Janet Jackson's tune "What have you done for me lately?" while they count their money and are able to put more of it back into their clubs/props/steel/etc. How do think the computers and software licenses are paid for. I'm sure our yearly membership dues don't cover it. Not sure about your club, but we get charged a fee for using the range. I do agree the classifier system needs visibility. The BOD has the power! If we want change- Elect ADs that are not part of the good ole boy program. Just saying.... That's not a bad thing. It will make the ushering of a new organization easier. This isn't politics. It is the running of USPSA. Seems incompetent at best. Never thought Dave Thomas would be missed so much. At this rate this organization won't exist in 5 years. A new organization you say???Why even have a new organization? So just like USPSA HQ, it will stick its grubby little paws into a local club's match fees and extract a $3 tax per shooter? A new organization to set up an even less transparent and more complex classifier system with never gonna get published high hit factors? I think former USPSA MD's and clubs would just hold outlaw matches instead, keep all of their match fees and hum Janet Jackson's tune "What have you done for me lately?" while they count their money and are able to put more of it back into their clubs/props/steel/etc. How do think the computers and software licenses are paid for. I'm sure our yearly membership dues don't cover it. Not sure about your club, but we get charged a fee for using the range. I do agree the classifier system needs visibility. The BOD has the power! If we want change- Elect ADs that are not part of the good ole boy program. Just saying.... In the 90's, the big buzzword in corporate America was "paradigm" or "thinking outside of the box". That you think any shooting sport needs a computer program in order to score it is your paradigm. If some club is going to go outlaw, then go with some version of time plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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