AH6IP Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Just read and article in Spec Ops Technology (SOTECH), a PUBLIC periodical, that says they are looking at the G37 real hard. Some of their requirements are- the pistol must have a light rail (got one), be reliable (no brainer there), and size must fit everyone (bingo). They were very impressed with the size, and the fact that parts are interchangable with other Glocks (frame, trigger, etc,etc). Caliber was up in the air, but it sounds like they are leaning towards a .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Sure this just isn't the "Marines Buy G37" urban legend warmed over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 9, 2004 Author Share Posted December 9, 2004 Nope- I am re-reading the article again as I write. Of course, they are looking at other blasters, but they are impressed with the gun AND the caliber. BTW-this is a new article, just out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intel6 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Just found out Glock will be making G23 and G27 sized pistols in .45 GAP. Also some sort of .223 carbine. This was from a guy who just went through a Glock Armorer's course. The G23 size interests me since I carry a G23 daily. Neal in AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangris Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 be reliable (no brainer there), Don't be so sure. I just got back from a GSSF match. The *only* guns I saw having problems? G37. It is half baked. Maybe if they put it back in the oven it will come out without a fat slide. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Paul, Were the G37 malfs with factory ammo? Were they stock, or did someone try to "fix" them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangris Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 One G37 had two, countem two, stovepipes - factory winchester I believe. Another 37 had a barrel locked up so tight the factory armorer banged on it for the better part of an hour and couldn't get it taken down. Not sure on the ammo there. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 It was probably a magazine problem. When the G37 came out(and there are still many with the older mags on showroom floors at dealers throughout the U.S.), they had magazine/follower problems. Glock is well aware, and if you send them the older mags, they will send you new ones, well worth the postal to Smyrna, Ga. The new mag with the new followers are much, much better and from what I've seen, 100% reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 pardon me if i'm wrong btu the fame is similar in size to the G17. but NOT interchangable I think it's a stupid idea to go with a non NATO round at this point... our boys get away from the ammo supply and they have to find a new gun too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 It is half baked. Maybe if they put it back in the oven it will come out without a fat slide. It's already baked. The G17-size slide was the "half baked" idea. Prototypes had a G17-sized slide. Eventually Glock realized there was simply no way to have a gun with a high level of feed reliability when you pop a G17-sized slide with .45 ACP-level recoil. They could have tried to compensate by going to a really heavy recoil spring but that would have made the gun difficult to operate. The answer was to put more weight into the slide by making it bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 pardon me if i'm wrong btu the fame is similar in size to the G17. but NOT interchangable According to the Glock technical guy I interviewed for several articles, the frames for the G17/22/34/35/etc. and the G37 all come out of the same mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 shooter Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I have shot the G37 and like it. But they have got to do something about those mags. I did not have any reliabilty problems. The problem was getting 10 rounds in the mags. After loading several at a GSSF match, my thumb was wore out. Some thought it was funny until they tried it. With the current design, it is a good 8 round mag. Just my .02 worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 In my experience, leave them loaded for a few months and it gets easier - still not fun, but easier. The G37 mags are one instance where I think the Glock loading tool definitely comes in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd522 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 I have shot the G37 Gap and personally think it isn't all that big of a deal. Yes it allows the use of a 45 cal bullet in a grip that someone with less than Shaq hands can hang on to. But it cuts magazine capacity with it's hard to load mags and is a non-common caliber. And the completely stock one I shot didn't run 100% with factory ammo either. Accuracy was par for a Glock. I would just as soon carry a G30 if I wanted a 45 cal hole. And if I wanted the standard full-size grip, I would take the 357 Sig, 40 S&W, or 9mm versions before the GAP. Maybe these agencies should try to train for more accurate shooters with the common and plentiful calibers already proven than jumping on the latest fad. Remember the FBI and the S&W 1076 10mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 I would have to say that these "agencies" have the best shooters in the world, so training is not the issue. They want to go back to a bigger (bigger is better?) bullet it sounds like. And even though we all love the 1911, it just doesn't pass their torture test, ie, dragging through the mud, sand, etc,etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 BTW-as far as loading the mags, adding an extended base pad is the ticket. Brownells has an Arredondo +3 base pad that works perfectly, making loading a breeze. Functions fine with the stock spring. They work fine with the +5 base pads too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 A bit hard on the concealability issue though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I would have to say that these "agencies" have the best shooters in the world, so training is not the issue. Uh, no. USPSA/IPSC has the best shooters in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 19, 2004 Author Share Posted December 19, 2004 Again, refer to the beginning post lead in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I think you might be surprised - while spec ops units undoubtably practice much more, and are probably as a group the best shooters in the military, they still get trained on occasion by........ IPSC shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH6IP Posted December 19, 2004 Author Share Posted December 19, 2004 True. But training with pop up shoot back's aren't in any trainer's resume, with the exception of one! Now we're getting into thread drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 And if I wanted the standard full-size grip, I would take the 357 Sig, 40 S&W, or 9mm versions before the GAP.Maybe these agencies should try to train for more accurate shooters with the common and plentiful calibers already proven than jumping on the latest fad. Remember the FBI and the S&W 1076 10mm? When they say "Special Ops" I believe they are talking about military. Not civilian LE. They have to use FMJ. They can't use the HP's that make the 9mm and .40 good or equal options when compared to the .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I think you might be surprised - while spec ops units undoubtably practice much more, and are probably as a group the best shooters in the military, they still get trained on occasion by........ IPSC shooters. No, I wouldn't be surprised. I spent 10 years on active duty in the United States Army, three of those as an Airborne paratrooper. I've also discussed the matter of the average firearms skill level you can expect from spec ops troops with Greg Hamilton, head man at InSights Training Center, former Ranger and Green Beret, and firearms instructor for, among other people, spec ops folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Why is it that Glock didn't use the 17 size slide because of the light weight but can build a 19 or 26 size gun with a lighter slide than the 37 has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Because the 19 and 26, being 9mms, generate considerably less recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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