almostold Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I was using my iPhone and the pictures don't do the muzzle justice. No exaggeration to say there is .040" of protrusion around 30% of the crown. There is even an obvious burr on the protrusion. Lee Like I said dull knife - mine was as bad - one could slice a finger on one of the burrs I took off. Those building the guns are not paying attention (to the tooling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowrider Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well the barrel is now straight but the crown looks like poop. Time to recut. Performance center needs to do some house cleaning. Man if that were my gun, I'd be lighting up all the email addresses at S&W that I could find and attaching all of these pics. When you pay $1k for a gun this stuff is just unacceptable. Taurus' quality is better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 I sent off an email last night including pics and a link to this thread. I don't expect much besides send it back and we will fix it. Not gonna happen. I need it February 1st and don't trust they will get it fixed in time for me to do all the other work that needs done. Load development, cylinder beveling, trigger job, internal polishing ect. It's being fixed locally. Like mentioned before I don't like that s&w is putting out this kind of quality and hope they eventually address what appears to be a bad quality control problem. I have an m&p9 pro on order and plan on buying a 929 when I can find one. These quality control issues are making me rethink my purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Just picked up my nib 627. Not what I was expecting from the performance center. Sorry for the cell phone picks. Cannot understand what you consider a problem. Upon examining the poor qualityphotos I cannot see any problem. Perhap's it's in the eyes of the beholder. Edited January 5, 2014 by TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Just picked up my nib 627. Not what I was expecting from the performance center. Sorry for the cell phone picks.Cannot understand what you consider a problem. Upon examining the poor qualityphotos I cannot see any problem. Perhap's it's in the eyes of the beholder. Sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The absolute worst action I have ever seen on a new S&W was on a 627 PC that I bought 8 or 9 years ago. I almost sent it back, and I almost never send guns back. Fortunately, that terrible action cleaned up into a wonderfully smooth action with a little effort. I assume any gun I buy will need trigger action work and I am ready to do it. But gross defects are another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I was using my iPhone and the pictures don't do the muzzle justice. No exaggeration to say there is .040" of protrusion around 30% of the crown. There is even an obvious burr on the protrusion. Lee WOW! What did they cut that with? It looks like that barrel was never crowned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I just had a local 'smith reclock a barrel on my 625PC. The rear sight was way to the right. He also checked the forcing cone and said it was fine after the clocking. It shoots great now and the sights are straight. S&W offered to fix it, but I wasn't crazy about the possible timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry625 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 When I got my 625 in from the first order, the cylinder would not open........sent it back, second 625 had hammer striking to frame issue which caused light strikes. After a few choice words to myself, had a gunsmith correct that. Purchased a used R-8 and I am totally happy with it. They need to hire someone from this forum to do final inspection on their products before they leave the plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUnderwood08 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I have the same exact issue with my Crown. The pictures posted could be of mine. Smith and Wesson is offering to take it back for repair but I am hesitant since its just as likely to return with new issues. The action is pretty poor too. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Barrel is not on straight. See how the sight doesn't line up with the barrel rib. Barrel is over clocked. Wow... a new PC 627 that looks like blind monkeys made it. I posted a thread a few years back about exactly the same thing which is why I'll never buy another new SW. FYI: twisted barrels is a standard item now on SW revos along with a bunch of other things like BC gap out of spec, hammers dragging on frame, side plate so tight that superman couldn't get it off etc. I was truly ticked off to spend $1300 on a PC gun that I then had to spend many hours fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I sent off an email last night including pics and a link to this thread. I don't expect much besides send it back and we will fix it. Not gonna happen. Yeah, that's why I started gunsmithing so may years back. You get a screwed up gun and your only option is to send it back to the stooges that screwed it up in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 When I got my 625 in from the first order, the cylinder would not open........sent it back, second 625 had hammer striking to frame issue which caused light strikes. After a few choice words to myself, had a gunsmith correct that. Purchased a used R-8 and I am totally happy with it. They need to hire someone from this forum to do final inspection on their products before they leave the plant. They used to have people like that but they fired them when they wouldn't work off the books for $5/hour......... seriously, I think they just did away with final check and use the customers as their QA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 That is what my 627's barrel crown looked like, also. It was pretty horrid looking. My barrel was clocked straight and the BC gap is good, but the forcing cone was really ragged and might have been constricted. Also, mine had a slight amount of hammer drag but a couple Ron Power shims fixed that. I've heard of people bending the hammer shaft to fix that but the shims worked so I didn't sweat it. I fixed the barrel crown, re-cut the forcing cone and did a decent 6.25-6.5 lb trigger myself. Not hard, but for a "performance center" gun (or any S&W revo, really) all I really should have had to do was a competition trigger job, chamfer the cylinders, and add the race goodies. Love the gun now, but it seems like the PC could put just a little more TLC into the finished product to alleviate buyer's frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizeks Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 OK i bought a NIB PC 627. Since that guy in IOWA is not doing any real work anymore, (something about wanting to be a crook or something with the law) who can i send it off to to get worked over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 OK i bought a NIB PC 627. Since that guy in IOWA is not doing any real work anymore, (something about wanting to be a crook or something with the law) who can i send it off to to get worked over? Apex Tactical gets my vote, top notch work. They've done several guns for me, nothing but the best from that crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Apex is excellent. You might also check with Tom over at TK Custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoThG Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Just picked up my nib 627. Not what I was expecting from the performance center. Sorry for the cell phone picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Joe Lieninger Mo Jo guns Howell Mi. joe@thebrushcreekltd.com Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You guys are scaring me I've got a PC 627 in the mail right now. I wanted it to be good because it's probably the last gun I ever buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 You guys are scaring me I've got a PC 627 in the mail right now. I wanted it to be good because it's probably the last gun I ever buy All I can say is have low expectations and you won't be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You guys are scaring me I've got a PC 627 in the mail right now. I wanted it to be good because it's probably the last gun I ever buy All I can say is have low expectations and you won't be disappointed. You make it sound like you didn't get a gun that came out alright and in truth, with a little know how and a weekend it did. Ever the pictures of the guy who had a 686 with 686+ flutes cut in it? That guy had reason for concern. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thehotrodpig Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 It came out great. Never did love that gun though. Cracks me up that this old thread has been revived. That 627 is haunting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 You guys are scaring me I've got a PC 627 in the mail right now. I wanted it to be good because it's probably the last gun I ever buy Well, the PC 627 that I ordered was the last gun I'll ever buy from SW..... maybe you'll get a good one. let us know what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Just sold my 686 performance center mim parts gun after three trips back to the performance center and 2 trips to a really good gun smith. My 586 no dash and 586-1 will go with me to my grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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