rgkeller Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanachkh Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Very cool... If only I could afford one now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I have been waiting for this good news. Thank you for updating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onagoth Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 will IPSC follow suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Next Question: If the Accu-shadow is on the list now, does that mean we can have the accu-shadow bushing installed by CZC on a different CZ we already have and use it legally in Production? Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think this is awesome. However, It is also a terrible decision and unfair to production division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think this is awesome. However, It is also a terrible decision and unfair to production division. Some have said the same thing about the CZ/tangfo line already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Yeah, I agree with them to an extent, but I believe this one takes it to another level by letting a custom shop redesign the trigger and barrel mounting system of an already accepted production gun. That being said, I'll be buying one as soon as I move to another state. Edited December 13, 2013 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) They are also a manufacture. They make the shadow, or import them, no different than czusa. The accu shadow is just them taking their gun to another level of awesomeness. Glock/SW could do the same thing. To me it's no different than a G17 vs. G34. The 34 was designed for competition use. Now if they came out with a g34A would it be legal? Sure once they filed the paper work. What aoy of people don't understand is production isn't box stock. Most glocks running around have damn near as much in the parts they have in/on them as the gun cost. So you taking around 8-900. Sure I have more in my shadows than that but if you say modded up a H&k or some other expensive base gun you'll be in the same boat. I personally think it's great. The shadow is the reason I will shoot production. Edited December 13, 2013 by steel1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S197Shelby Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Gah just ordered a Shadow Custom. Maybe when I send it back in a year for the SRT I will be able to afford the bushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Next Question: If the Accu-shadow is on the list now, does that mean we can have the accu-shadow bushing installed by CZC on a different CZ we already have and use it legally in Production? Eric I would love the answer to this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 SP01 ACCU SHADOW.jpg Tease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftjandra Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Yeah, I agree with them to an extent, but I believe this one takes it to another level by letting a custom shop redesign the trigger and barrel mounting system of an already accepted production gun. That being said, I'll be buying one as soon as I move to another state. The pre-Bs used to have short reset disconnectors. It really is just a disconnector. The rest is a trigger job which all Shadows have anyway. It's not like the CZ Custom Shop made a new trigger mechanism. It's a part from a pre-B gun that they found could work on a non firing pin block guns. http://czcustom.com/CZUBPREBDROPINDISCONNECTOR.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The accu shadow is more than just a disco lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1valdez Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Next Question: If the Accu-shadow is on the list now, does that mean we can have the accu-shadow bushing installed by CZC on a different CZ we already have and use it legally in Production? Eric I would love the answer to this as well.Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonBullit Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Finally getting my Shadow Target and outdated already....story of my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Does that mean it will soon B idpa approved.I only have 2 CZ both accu shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftjandra Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 The accu shadow is more than just a disco lol I was referring to the other guy talking about the CZ Custom Shop redesigning the trigger. They didn't redesign the trigger unless you call a trigger job a redesigned trigger mechanism. Neither is the short reset disco a redesigned mechanism. And yes, I know the Accu-shadow is more than just a disco. I have had my custom Accu-shadow since Feb of this year. My favorite gun thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Does that mean it will soon B idpa approved.I only have 2 CZ both accu shadows. IDPA doesn't have anything to do with IDPA. I don't see why it wouldn't be IDPA approved for at least ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Scott Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Next Question: If the Accu-shadow is on the list now, does that mean we can have the accu-shadow bushing installed by CZC on a different CZ we already have and use it legally in Production? Eric +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Yeah, I agree with them to an extent, but I believe this one takes it to another level by letting a custom shop redesign the trigger and barrel mounting system of an already accepted production gun. That being said, I'll be buying one as soon as I move to another state. The pre-Bs used to have short reset disconnectors. It really is just a disconnector. The rest is a trigger job which all Shadows have anyway. It's not like the CZ Custom Shop made a new trigger mechanism. It's a part from a pre-B gun that they found could work on a non firing pin block guns. http://czcustom.com/CZUBPREBDROPINDISCONNECTOR.aspx Are you sure they're the same parts and that's the only difference? If so, I think that's fair to production division. I don't agree with the Glock comparison however. When Glock puts an external bushing on their slide and it is production approved, then I may agree. When USPSA allows Beretta 9x series with an external bushing, then I will say production is, "more fair". As of now, I think it's an unfair decision, favoring CZ over other platforms that have already used an external bushing and been disqualified from production division as a result. Did the factory do the external bushing? No, a custom shop did, specifically for competition purposes. It doesn't matter what I think, but I am a voice of equality. Like I said, it's still a cool upgrade to an already cool gun. But, that's what it is . . . an unfair upgrade when they've disapproved plenty of other entrants because they were deemed to be designed specifically for competition, even though several other of these entrants were obviously less competitive than this. I wish I could remember the most recent one discussed on this board . . . Was it the Strike-One? Anyone remember? Regardless, the production portion clearly says they won't approve handguns with magwell flaring. How many handguns on the list already have it? Kind of hypocritical, isn't it? USPSA - NROI Production Gun List There are steps and criteria for a handgun to be accepted to the Production gun list. 1. 2000 manufactured and available to the general public . 2. No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell, the lateral internal width of the well may not be more than 1/4" wider than the lateral width of the magazine. The lateral width of the well to mean the narrow width where the mainspring housing is inserted, the lateral width of the magazine to mean the narrow side that faces the mainspring housing when inserted into the handgun. 3. Must meet the criteria listed in the appendix of the current rule book as well as that listed above. 4. The gun must be viewed by NROI prior to its acceptance. 5. A production gun approval form filled out and signed and returned to NROI. Edited December 14, 2013 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ftjandra Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Yeah, I agree with them to an extent, but I believe this one takes it to another level by letting a custom shop redesign the trigger and barrel mounting system of an already accepted production gun. That being said, I'll be buying one as soon as I move to another state. The pre-Bs used to have short reset disconnectors. It really is just a disconnector. The rest is a trigger job which all Shadows have anyway. It's not like the CZ Custom Shop made a new trigger mechanism. It's a part from a pre-B gun that they found could work on a non firing pin block guns. http://czcustom.com/CZUBPREBDROPINDISCONNECTOR.aspx Are you sure they're the same parts and that's the only difference? Yep. Been posted about in a few threads on the CZ forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Whoops can you point me to where glock put a external bushing on their guns? CZC IS the manufacture or at least sole importer of them. Would it be ok if glock in Smyrna GA put a bushing on their guns or not because it wasn't done in Austria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 No, I don't believe anyone has ever put an external bushing on a Glock. It's the principle of the external bushing that I'm talking about here. CZCustom customizes platforms for competition, it goes against what Production Division has stood for. It's a reason guns haven't been approved for production division in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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