Jody Waring Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I posted about this before, just wondering if anyone has developed any other loads that they would like to share. I have been shooting a 180 gr. cast this year with good success. Accuracy is good, and is very reliable. The Hodgdon manual says 5.4 of WSF with a jacketed bullet, and I backed the load off to 5.0 and 5.2 and they both shoot really well. I would like to develop some more loads with cast and plated/fmj and am hoping to get some insight. I have titegroup, WSF, WST, 231, N320, long shot, and HS6. Where I have to load short for these mags and the short chamber, as you guys know a lot of data we see is for longer OAL and doesn't work for us. Anything you would be willing to share would be appreciated. I will be loading to IPSC power factor of 170. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) I got frustrated with the short chamber and reamed it out, furthermore I haven't done much load development for Limited since I started shooting Open. Edited September 2, 2013 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerlrrp Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 5.0gr of VV 320 and a jacketed 180gr works well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 5.0gr of VV 320 and a jacketed 180gr works well for me.What OAL,are you loading to, and what is your power factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggieddad02 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Jody, I am loading for a Tanfoglio Elite Limited in 40 S&W - 4.74 gr N320 @ 1.135 OAL for a 172 Power Factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 3, 2013 Author Share Posted September 3, 2013 What would be a safe starting point? 4.4-4.5? I might give the N320 a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) i run a 180 fmj-fp with 5.1grs of vihtavuori nn340 at 1.135 coal making the pf by a hair according to my chronyLOL. very accurate, my TS is a tack driver at any typical distance. however i know i meet the FPS/PF numbers by a hair,used it in my TS when it was my main standard gun ( now a G35). very mellow load in my TS while not as mellow in my G35 .there's still some space left in the case ,the TS like it. found some chrony numbers i've got when i was testing for my TS: 1-942 2-947 3-944 4-951 5-942 6-962 7-944 8-945 9-956 10-947 chrono'ed on my digital pro-chrony . Edited September 3, 2013 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 What would be a safe starting point? 4.4-4.5? I might give the N320 a try. why start that low? you'll certainly need more powder to make major, so I'd start at 4.7 or 4.8. I use 5.1 gr of n320 with a plated bullet at 1.13 oal, typically chronos 170-173 out of a cz 75b (4.75" barrel). There's a reason n320 is so popular. It's fast enough that the recoil impulse is lower than many other powders, but slow enough that you need not fear overpressure issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenR Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 N320 and cast were very smokey for me. WST 4.5-4.6 gr @ the usual 1.135 oal felt about the same as N320, recoil wise, with less smoke. WSF 5.0 gr didn't smoke much either, recoil felt heavier though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohsevenflhx Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) I just chrono'ed 5.0gr WSF with 185gr Precision moly bullet at 1.130 OAL out of CZ Tactical Sport yesterday. Average 911 fps for 168 PF. Shoots accurate. I prefer Solo 1000 though. Edited September 3, 2013 by ohsevenflhx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Loaded some tonight with 4.7 of N320 and a plated 180. Hoping to get out tomorrow and chrony them. Next will be to work up a load with 180 cast and WST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I'm using 4.8gr of W231, using bayou 180s at 1.135. Makes about 171 pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 The load I tried with 4.7 of N320 yielded me an average just at 165 +/- power factor with only one round making it to 951 fps, which likely was a fluke considering the spread; the others were 912-920 fps. I loaded a few more at 4.9 and hopefully will try them tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll end up at 5.0-5.1 as mentioned earlier in the thread. SDM, I hadn't thought about 231, how is the recoil impulse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The load I tried with 4.7 of N320 yielded me an average just at 165 +/- power factor with only one round making it to 951 fps, which likely was a fluke considering the spread; the others were 912-920 fps. I loaded a few more at 4.9 and hopefully will try them tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll end up at 5.0-5.1 as mentioned earlier in the thread. SDM, I hadn't thought about 231, how is the recoil impulse? just finished loading another batch of 40 ammo at 5.1 grs of NN340@ 1.135.....there,s still .6 left before the max load of 5.7 according to vitha,fps jumps in the range of 1037fps !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 The load I tried with 4.7 of N320 yielded me an average just at 165 +/- power factor with only one round making it to 951 fps, which likely was a fluke considering the spread; the others were 912-920 fps. I loaded a few more at 4.9 and hopefully will try them tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll end up at 5.0-5.1 as mentioned earlier in the thread. SDM, I hadn't thought about 231, how is the recoil impulse? I'm not good at judging it against others. I like it. I've shot a friends loads using N320 and I can't tell a difference (recoil wise). You may though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 For production, I switched from titegroup to 231 with 147s and like it much better. I might give it a try. I have to admit, even though I didn't make factor, the N320 load was really soft and don't expect the recoil to get much harsher from 165 to 170. Never considered N340, if I ever see any available I might give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencerhut Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 My standard Tac Sport load has been 4.6g Ramshot Competition or 4.7g N320 w/180g MG @1.135" Both make 172PF with no noticeable difference in recoil impulse. Almost all my loads are the Ramshot load since i can't tell any difference and the Competition powder is much less expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 My chronograph crapped out tonight so wasn't able to check my ammo. I weighed a bunch and the N320 seems to be metering well and my loads ended up with 5.0 gr. With no time to get to the range before the weekend it looks like ill be going back to my Shadow. I'm almost thinking I should just shoot the match and try to shoot alphas with the TS, major or minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerlrrp Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 My chronograph crapped out tonight so wasn't able to check my ammo. I weighed a bunch and the N320 seems to be metering well and my loads ended up with 5.0 gr. With no time to get to the range before the weekend it looks like ill be going back to my Shadow. I'm almost thinking I should just shoot the match and try to shoot alphas with the TS, major or minor. Sorry I have not checked this thread for a while. The OAL I am loading at is 1.135-1.138. In my G35 KKM barrel with 180gr Precision Deltas I'm at 987 fps (177PF). For some reason I can't find my TS data in my log book. I guess I will do it over again when it comes back from IonBond. Given the assumption that the VV N320 is behaving "linearly"...your load of 4.7gr at 920fps is 195.74 fps per grain. Therefore, 5.0 grains is 977 fps. I think you are in good shape with a margin of error. Then again, I'm a few thousand miles south of you and have nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbird1976 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 6.1 grains of Longshot with the 180's loaded to 1.125" should be a 172 or 173 power factor. I tried lower and my extreme spreads were too erratic. 6.1grns provided a consistent standard deviation and the added recoil was minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 For the record, I believe that my initial chrono results were wrong. I shot my Provincial Championships this weekend and my load with an "AIM" Canadian produced 180 gr projectile with 5.1 gr of N320 yielded me 182 PF. I can definitely back it off, the original 4.7 load should easily get me over 170. I should have spent more time working up a load, one can't take anything for granted including the possibility of faulty equipment. Thanks for all the help guys, it is deeply appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Was there a significant temperature difference between the day of the match and when you first tested? Was the ammo sitting in the sun either day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Temperature difference,.. Yes it was but significant I would say no. 2-3 degrees celcius at the most. Ammo was in a plastic Tupperware container out of the sun on both occasions. Mind you .4 of a grain increase is a lot as far as I'm concerned with a faster powder especially in .40 and the 4.7 load will likely make major just on that day it was a different chrono and it likely wasn't giving accurate readings. I'm going to try it again on the weekend and see if this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Anyone loading 231 or HP38 with a 180 gr plated or cast bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) I just realized i had a typo in my earlier post. I use 4.6gr of 231 with Blue and Bayou bullets at 1.135 oal. Makes ~171pf. Might take 4.8 with plated. I'm not sure how different lead would be than coated. Edited May 31, 2015 by SDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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