sbcman Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 IDPA's new rule on actions not being able to cycle with the cylinder open coincided with my need of another 625. I quickly found a JM model and sent it off to my revosmith, Paul Francis (Bosshoss on this forum). After discussing ways to bring the revolver into compliance, one of his ideas stuck in my mind- a skeletonized 625 hammer. I couldn't get the picture out of my head, so I told him to go for it. Received a call today that the revolver was ready. I could be mistaken, but I think Paul said that half the weight of the original hammer was gone. Initially, I considered that there might not be enough mass on the revolver for it to do its work. So, we jotted out to the backyard range and put a dozen rounds down. There was 2 failures to fire. Went back to the shop and beefed the mainspring, taking if from 5 and 3/4lb to 6lb (not noticeable by me). Put another 60 rounds through at his place and 40 rounds through at mine and it's been 100% reliable. The one thing we both are wondering about is if the hammer could break. It might, but I ain't skeered Paul said this was an extremely time consuming hammer to make. But MAN does it look COOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 That looks really cool.I deleted the duplicate post you made by mistake. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 damn cool! How long did you sit there with the dremel Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcman Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 That looks really cool. I deleted the duplicate post you made by mistake. -ld DOH! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTOGuy06 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 That is really cool. I like the idea behind and not to mention his freaking awesome it looks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougCarden Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Give it some time......someone at a match will find some way that it is illegal.....I will patiently wait for the Thread....(way cool by the way...) DougC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Strange that you had to increase mainspring tension. Normally taking about half the weight off a stock hammer will enhance ignition reliability. I've seen a few other hammers cut this way--in the past it was a cosmetic thing, because the shooter didn't want to see down into the action of the gun. Looks like a good solution for the IDPA BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) damn cool! How long did you sit there with the dremel Paul? Alec I only use a dremel for polishing things. I use a die grinder and burrs for this. Only about 20 minutes for removing metal. Probably about that long in laying it out so everything matched up. A little over an hour blending, contouring, removing grinder and sander marks and polishing things up. I have done a couple of hammers that went into 627 guns that the owners use in production class and left the spur on and the lock functioning but they are cleared out the same way. They are not as light as this but way lighter than a full hammer. Edited July 13, 2013 by Bosshoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Strange that you had to increase mainspring tension. Normally taking about half the weight off a stock hammer will enhance ignition reliability. I've seen a few other hammers cut this way--in the past it was a cosmetic thing, because the shooter didn't want to see down into the action of the gun. Looks like a good solution for the IDPA BS. Mike the gun was new and a new build. The OP likes a heavier rebound spring than most so it could go lighter. I set it up where I thought it would set them off and he brought some of his reloads to test the gun with and it just needed a little tweeking. I thought about calling the hammer SRH (stupid rule hammer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosshoss Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Some more pictures. Stock hammer: Modded hammer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 That would be cool with the hammer cut up and the spur left on and skeletonized as well. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcman Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 Put the gun through some paces today at a local IDPA match. Had one FTF, but that seems to happen everytime I want a seventh shot on a six shot gun:) Thanks for those pics Paul and putting the weight out there. Very good job, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Pretty much the same thing I did to my 686 and 625 when I got them a few months ago. I figured without know what the new rules would bring it is always easier to remove metal than add it back on. Though this one shows extra places I can go back and do a little more removal. Mine is running at about 6.5#'s right now, but I think an Apex firing pin might help me drop another pound or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Nice metal work. In terms of losing half the original hammer's curb weight, the scale shows it's right on the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Six-Gun Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Nice job, you left more material than I did! http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57248&hl=%2Brogan#entry871786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 All of my guns with Carmonized hammers work great at 5 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You need a wire EDM in a bad way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) Beautiful work. My concern would be when the ham-handed SO (who just learned everything he knows about revolvers from Youtube yesterday) pushes on your cylinder latch and busts the (now thin) strut that restrains the bolt. It is easy to underestimate thier enthusiasm as many have learned. You might want to leave enough metal so that the work is not visible with the side plate on when the action is cycled - you can easily see material has been removed in your photo. Those types of conversations with SOs at the "safety check" are best avoided in my experience. Here's the rule you will most like have to discuss (I added the color): 8.2.5.2.2. Action work to enhance trigger pull as long as safety is maintained (smoothing the trigger face, removing the hammer spur, use of over travel stop, conversion to DA only and addition of ball detent are considered action work and are permitted). Beyond removal of the spur, the removal of the remaining hammer material is not on the "inclusive" list of action work. It's absence on the "non-inclusive list" of excluded modifications has not been an effective defense in my experience. I don't agree with it, but I am just offering another perspective. I would not be shocked if the interpretation is not in your favor should you have the conversation. Again, it is easy to underestimate thier enthusiasm. Good Luck. Edited July 17, 2013 by Bones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcman Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 Thanks Craig. These things have crossed my mind and I have a peace about it. I don't like to write what I'm about to write because it just comes off petty, but if such a thing occurs, that will be all for my IDPA revo journey and I'm OK with it. I hear some IDPA revo shooters enjoy CDP, so I'll have somewhere to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Craig:The remaining hammer removal would be considered internal and not visible. The above hammer is a work of art but there should be a bit more of the hammer remaining so that you can't see daylight under the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcman Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 Sometimes I make myself laugh. I just envisioned myself in line at the equip check with another revo shooter with a Carmonized hammer. I get DQ'ed for light showing through while the other guy walks with a hammer literally cut in half! LOL In our sport, anything can happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthco Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 You need a wire EDM in a bad way! YEA!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 In our sport, anything can happen Maybe find a different sport. Like USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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