sbcman

If IDPA allows moonclipped guns in the single revo division things could get interesting. Yesterday I shot my first match since September in ESR against one guy in SSR. We're both MA class shooters and everyone was looking forward to see how the match turned out as a good test case. I came out ahead by 20 points. Granted, this isn't an objective test case but if it was to hold up with many shooters in revo I'd suspect that speedloader guys would either bring out their 625s or else get into another division. Very few new shooters will want to invest in a 625 to get into revo. And since IDPA used the 3% ESR totals from majors to justify killing the division, if participation dropped significantly who's to say they wouldn't just eliminate revo altogether. We'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out. The 625 could find new life in IDPA only to meet it's end there, again.

In my very first multigun match I ran my 686....it gets better. I also ran a Saiga 223 and a Saiga 12, all iron sights, in Open LOL Didn't do too bad, as I recall. I think I was 4th out of 8 Open shooters. By the next match I had obtained an M&P9. That shotgun/revo match sounds like a lot of fun!

I see and agree. One of my lgs advertised they had new S&W 9 revos in but it was just the 7-shots.

They definitely stand to be the big winner. Too bad they have completely botched the 929 roll out. How so? I haven't heard anything about it.

At first I thought the 8 shot rule was great. Then, I realized I'd need to buy one, get it worked, dump a ton of money in clips, etc. I don't shoot USPSA that much but planned to do more this year with a great local club and a major close to home. But, that's not going to happen, so -1 existing revo shooter from the pack. I'm happy for you who are enjoying the change though. I'd be there if I wanted to dump the cash but I don't.

Maybe find a different sport. Like USPSA. Or fishing. I don't have the skills for USPSA, they don't make a class low enough. Double that since I don't have an 8 shooter LOL. Necro indeed! Not sure how all this came back up LOL Thanks for the advice, but I'm skipping SWIN this year. Flag is back on though so it's all good. Shoot well if you're heading to Springfield.

I'd think someone could save themselves a lot of work messing with the latch instead of just cutting down the hammer. Check out the thread below to see how much can be taken off and still have enough to catch the latch. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=177904

To make things worse, there is now an M-69 that is a 5-shot .44 Magnum on the L-Frame. World is changing, isn't it. Sticking 9mm on an n-frame and 44 on a l-frame. I'm not sure what planet I'm on anymore. LOL

Cool- great option for ICORE and USPSA. Not digging the 29 of 929- that always speaks 44 to me.

S.L. Variant speedloaders offer an SSR option with your 625 if your gun makes weight (sometimes minor changes can get it there) and you don't mind loosing the occassional 45 autorim peice of brass LOL

Everything you're asking about is possible and the Model 10 is a great SSR gun (as most K-frames are) But..... I personally wouldn't do it. If memory serves, this is a Bill Davis revolver- I especially wouldn't do it to that one. You'll be time and probably money ahead to just get another gun set-up like you want. Lots of used k and l frames floating around at decent prices.

This vid is painstaking to watch, but it shows why the double taps happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNVHg93velo

I think the cause is that the finger is still pressing back on the trigger during recoil. The gun recoils so much that there's enough movement for the trigger to reset, all the while the operater is still holding back on the trigger. The result is as you see in the video. I don't think it will be an issue with folks that have reasonable hand strength and have been around some heavier recoiling rounds in revolvers before. An action job certainly would not play into it (reduced rebound spring).

Yep, I got one for moving on a reload during the all strong hand stage. Sure, it was wrong and I deserved it---but MAN was it a good feeling 3 seconds earned. Felt like freedom LOL Might be of interest to some, the SOs at the GA match would let you initiate a reload in the open and complete it behind cover while moving. They just didn't want you to make a shot after initiating the open reload until you was behind cover. The IN State SOs handled it the same way. Sounds like a guy needs to check with each SO on each stage of a match to be sure. Probably doesn't matter for most, but as I shoot revolver there is a good chance I'll go empty in the open.

Sheesh....a guy DC's some IDPA major and all the sudden becomes an authority on vests

For any weather I like the Redhead vests that Basspro sells. Lightweight and cheap ($30), easy to sweep out of the way. A stiffer material is helpful, but becomes less critical by practicing a lot with the concealment garment that you have. In other words, guys with $125 stiff vests won't see a gain over shooters with $30 vests if both of them practice equally, in my opinion.

Just offering my perspective on the sport. I shoot a lot of IDPA and really enjoy it. I do not view any of it as training for defense in the real world. Sure, there's the benefit of safe gun handling, manipulation of the weapon, sight picture, trigger control and reloading that pays dividends in "real life." But, to me overall, it's just fun and I think it's best to view it in that light. If one is concerned that certain rules of the sport might interfere with their defensive strategies in "the real world", it might be best to take more training and play less games. As you've found out, there's plenty in IDPA that would likely put you on the loosing end of a gunfight. Same view for USPSA. I've heard some long time USPSA members say that at one time the sport had a "martial" aspect to it that is lost now. I don't know, haven't been around it long enough to know. I do know it is a sport; it is a game, I take it for what it is. Same with multigun, clays, steel, etc.

Revolvers support my strengths. I'm really good at counting to 6, not so much after that.

Does anyone know if this gun is IDPA legal for ESP in its Limited form? I've searched all over the interwebz for dimensions and weight, but I can only get data for it in its open configuration. Thanks.

OK, you got me, I mainly shoot revolver just to get out of all this box drama That and I have trouble counting past 6. Also, IDPA is really fun game to me, nothing else. If I need defensive/combat training I'll have an M&P9 on my side. My apologies on "Bottom Feeder", it must have been a Freudian slip. It's really a term of affection when coming from revo shooters.LOL Yes, most revo shooters are excellent semi shooters as well. The learning curve just isn't as steep, and it's kind of like putting on the training wheels to run them after you've gone a while with 6 and empty. In the interest of disclosure, I've hardly ever met a gun I didn't like and I for defensive purposes I carry a semi and a revo at the same time (don't know what camp that puts me in). I really prefer something of the long rifle species with a 30 caliber round if something was to go down. As for a revo cranking them out faster than an automatic, it's just a matter of how the gun is made as waktasz mentioned above. Stock revolver return springs are usually 17lbs and need to push a trigger back forward somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4", then she's ready to rock again. Semi springs could be as heavy or lighter and have to return the length of the barrel. Two guys of equal skill in each platform will find the revolver to crank them out faster. It really has no value at all expect for what you mentioned and the "dude, that's cool" factor. You can google up Ed Mcgivern who proved that revo was faster and stayed with it. Of course, all of this is dependent on the human more than the gun. I'm speaking in "all other things being equal" terms.

Good question. Here's my answer list: 1. I like them. 2. They are a challenge for me to shoot. 3. I get a devious sense of satisfaction from coming out ahead of those running semis in matches. You can ask the op if #3 happens with any regularity. To reply to some of your thoughts: 1.) Handgun fit to hand varies with person, revos "feel" just as good to me as any bottom feeder. 2.) They do hold more rounds 3.)Faster to reload? Depends on the shooter. Some guy once got off 12 shots with a reload in under 3 seconds with a revo. If you can do that with a bottom feeder, you're well on your way. 4.) Again, depends on a person's body. I'm a big guy, so revos conceal on me just as well as autos. Slimmer guys might find that revos don't conceal as easily 5.) Better trigger? Sure, if stock, after getting worked on, it's a wash. As for trigger travel, consider this: even though a revolver has a longer trigger travel, they can shoot faster than semis. BUT, if I was going to shoot semi, I would definitely look into an Eagle as it's clear most of them fit the IDPA box just fine (had to bring this back to the OP, LOL!)

I saw the OP's gun in question fit the box Saturday, which raises a whole new problem. At one club, the box won't allow fit. At this club, the box swallowed the gun whole. Makes a guy wonder about boxes. I shoot revo, which gets me out of all this box drama

The easiest thing to do would be to bend the mainspring a bit, put a lighter return spring in and place an extended firing pin on it. Most anyone on this forum can walk you through doing these things on your own if you need help. Very affordable to do. These efforts will get you in the the 7-8lb range which is substantially better than factory and will likely give you reliability with any primer.

Disappointed. I saw the thread title and was hoping steel1212 had patented some new, ultra cool gear system, Cerakoted, of course.

Good to know! I might check those out a bit closer. Taking a rock or brass impalement is no fun.