dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Please note that otherwise then brass, primers, bullets and powder, I don't have anything to start with. 16944 Dillon XL 650 in 38 Super/9mm $ 566.95 566.95 13606 Primer Flip Tray $ 20.95 20.95 10330 Reloading Manual - Lyman #49 $ 24.95 24.95 10096 Dillon 223/5.56 3-Die Set - Carbide $ 152.95 152.95 15161 Dillon 9mm Stainless Case Gage $ 15.45 15.45 BE650 650 - As it should BE - Upgrade $ 128.95 128.95 11555 650 Toolholder with Wrench Set $ 29.95 29.95 21044 Powder Check System - 650/1050 only $ 68.95 68.95 19484 650 Press Instructional DVD $ 19.95 19.95 Purchase Subtotal: $ 1,029.05 Shipping: U.S. Shipping Rate 0.00International Shipping Rate 12.99 Purchase Total: $ 1,029.05 Edited January 25, 2013 by dtt255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 scale and calipers and chrono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken8521 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I see .223 dies, but no caliber conversion kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 And a casefeed plate? Casefeed Plate: Rifle, Small $38.95 22 Hornet/223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 scale and calipers and chrono Ahh yes..... I see .223 dies, but no caliber conversion kit. So do I need the 223 caliber conversion or the deluxe quick change kit? Im confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 actually I think I need both....ahhh sometimes learning new things is tougher as I get older! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I didn't see where you included the patience to wait 6-8 weeks... J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken8521 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 scale and calipers and chrono Ahh yes..... I see .223 dies, but no caliber conversion kit. So do I need the 223 caliber conversion or the deluxe quick change kit? Im confused. Can I make a suggestion... cancel this order, and do some reading on BE's FAQ's, so you can come to a conclusion of not only what equipment you need, but what you need to run that equipment. The Deluxe Caliber conversion... is not the caliber conversion... It's a "Deluxe Quick Change" kit.. which includes a toolhead stand, powder measure, and toolhead. You need a caliber conversion (ie, shell plate, locator buttons, etc.). That.. you will absolutely need. After that, you probably *want* a toolhead(about $40). Otherwise, you'll have to constantly reset your dies as you share a toolhead between 9mm and .223. You talking about you don't want to buy stuff you don't need, etc.. but you really need to research this purchase a bit. Dillon makes top notch stuff, but buying to much is almost as bad as buying not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 so I added: 650 Deluxe Quick Change Kit $ 107.95 Casefeed Plate - Small Rifle (650/1050) $ 38.95 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken8521 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 so I added: 650 Deluxe Quick Change Kit $ 107.95 Casefeed Plate - Small Rifle (650/1050) $ 38.95 right? You also need a .223 caliber conversion kit. The Deluxe Quick change kit, has more to do with the dies and the powder measure. The caliber conversion kit, is the shell plate, locator buttons, etc.. so you can use your .223 brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 scale and calipers and chrono Ahh yes..... I see .223 dies, but no caliber conversion kit. So do I need the 223 caliber conversion or the deluxe quick change kit? Im confused. Can I make a suggestion... cancel this order, and do some reading on BE's FAQ's, so you can come to a conclusion of not only what equipment you need, but what you need to run that equipment. The Deluxe Caliber conversion... is not the caliber conversion... It's a "Deluxe Quick Change" kit.. which includes a toolhead stand, powder measure, and toolhead. You need a caliber conversion (ie, shell plate, locator buttons, etc.). That.. you will absolutely need. After that, you probably *want* a toolhead(about $40). Otherwise, you'll have to constantly reset your dies as you share a toolhead between 9mm and .223. You talking about you don't want to buy stuff you don't need, etc.. but you really need to research this purchase a bit. Dillon makes top notch stuff, but buying to much is almost as bad as buying not enough. I appriciate this advise and will follow it. I have been reading and reading. I feel I have a good understanding on the basics, it is just a matter of the details I don't think I can fully grasp until I am doing it. Some of the details of the caliber changes is still confusing. (obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Ok I have re-thought this.... I think the best thing for me to do right now, being that I am a RAW BEGINNER at this...is to get the 650 with all needed for one caliber. Start and learn how to do it without issues, learn how to use the machine, the intricacies and issues that will arrive and how to handle them. Then move on to another caliber. From what I have read also, reloading rifle is different then pistol From case prep to the finished product is much more precise. So I think it is best to get comfortable with pistol then do rifle. Doesn't mean I wont collect the items to do rifle....brass, bullets, primers, powder. Just wont start yet. Better way to go? Thanks Edited January 25, 2013 by dtt255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken8521 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Ok I have re-thought this.... I think the best thing for me to do right now, being that I am a RAW BEGINNER at this...is to get the 650 with all needed for one caliber. Start and learn how to do it without issues, learn how to use the machine, the intricacies and issues that will arrive and how to handle them. Then move on to another caliber. From what I have read also, reloading rifle is different then pistol From case prep to the finished product is much more precise. So I think it is best to get comfortable with pistol then do rifle. Doesn't mean I wont collect the items to do rifle....brass, bullets, primers, powder. Just wont start yet. Better way to go? Thanks I think that's a pretty good idea. Get what you need to load 9mm, learn the ins and outs of pistol reloading... then proceed to rifle. Curious, how much 9mm do you shoot a month normally? You might find a 550 will more than meet your needs. Not trying to push you one way or the other.. I have a 650 and love it, but honestly.. I could probably get by w/ a 550 no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Ok I have re-thought this.... I think the best thing for me to do right now, being that I am a RAW BEGINNER at this...is to get the 650 with all needed for one caliber. Start and learn how to do it without issues, learn how to use the machine, the intricacies and issues that will arrive and how to handle them. Then move on to another caliber. From what I have read also, reloading rifle is different then pistol From case prep to the finished product is much more precise. So I think it is best to get comfortable with pistol then do rifle. Doesn't mean I wont collect the items to do rifle....brass, bullets, primers, powder. Just wont start yet. Better way to go? Thanks I think that's a pretty good idea. Get what you need to load 9mm, learn the ins and outs of pistol reloading... then proceed to rifle. Curious, how much 9mm do you shoot a month normally? You might find a 550 will more than meet your needs. Not trying to push you one way or the other.. I have a 650 and love it, but honestly.. I could probably get by w/ a 550 no problem. I shoot maybe total of 700-1000 rounds a month. Between my pistols and rifles. I believe I would shoot more if I was reloading. I have looked at the 550 and it looks great, but the manual indexing doesn't interest me at all. Just seem , to me, like I can screw up more. I would like to get a machine where once I am understanding how to do the basics, I can grow with the machine. Eventually getting the case and bullet feeder and making, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceDevil Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 You are missing 9mm dies. If you buy the machine in 9mm, it only comes with the 9mm conversion kit but not the dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) You are missing 9mm dies. If you buy the machine in 9mm, it only comes with the 9mm conversion kit but not the dies. Already have dillon dies. Edited January 25, 2013 by dtt255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 best thing for me ...is to get the 650 with all needed for one caliber. Start and learn how to use the machine, . Then move on to another caliber. I agree 100%. Very wise decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Trigger Pulled!!! gosh im nervous!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 What about .223 case gauge? Why are you ordering carbide .223 dies? What about a trimmer for .223 and a SuperSwage or other tool to deal with crimped primer pockets? Do you already have, or plan to buy someone else's case lube? Even with the carbide dies, you have to lube .223 before resizing. Most people seem to like to have multiple tool heads (at least one per caliber) and for rifle calibers its common to have 2 per caliber, one setup just for resizing/decapping, and a second setup for charging/seating/crimping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwskinner Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) I'm new to this as well so my comments may not be too accurate, but why did you add a casefeed plate when you did not order a case feeder? Richard Edited January 27, 2013 by rwskinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtt255 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 I took out anything that wasn't related to my 9mm reloading. I realized, after great advise here, that I was running before I walked. So my setup is a basic 650 with the 'as it should be ' upgrade and all needed to 9mm. That's all. I'll deal with rifle after I learn and comfy with pistol 9mm and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fowlh339 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 .223 case gauge Case trimmer. I like the little crow Swag for crimped brass optional extra pickup tubes bullet feeder case feeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 It's definitely a good idea to learn reloading on pistol calibers first, but when I bought my press through Brian, I knew I'd eventually be reloading every caliber I shot (other than .22lr and shotgun)...so I ordered just about everything I thought I'd need through him all at once to save on shipping. Then, just put all the rifle stuff away until I was comfortable doing 9mm and .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentG Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Cleaning your own brass? Tumbler and media seperator? Drillspot for media. I just got a bag and its some nice stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Drillspot, Harbor Freight, Grainger...whichever is more convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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