DRJ1911 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I posted this in the 9mm forum but thought I should have posted here so here goes. I loaded a few rds to test in my 9mm's today. This was my first time loading on my new 650 and I had a few problems. I got most everything worked out but I am still having problems with high primers. I will run a few and they will be fine and then get one seated high. Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks and sorry for the double post Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I posted this in the 9mm forum but thought I should have posted here so here goes. I loaded a few rds to test in my 9mm's today. This was my first time loading on my new 650 and I had a few problems. I got most everything worked out but I am still having problems with high primers. I will run a few and they will be fine and then get one seated high. Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks and sorry for the double post Doyle The only thing I can think of is you are not pulling all the way down on the operating handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torogi Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I posted this in the 9mm forum but thought I should have posted here so here goes. I loaded a few rds to test in my 9mm's today. This was my first time loading on my new 650 and I had a few problems. I got most everything worked out but I am still having problems with high primers. I will run a few and they will be fine and then get one seated high. Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks and sorry for the double post Doyle The only thing I can think of is you are not pulling all the way down on the operating handle. for 650, its pushing all the way up. 1050, seating primers are down stroke. What i used to do, and it became a habit, is when i end my upstroke, I go back and push it 1 more. Going fast may cause incomplete seating. Now, on those high primers, did you try and re-seat them? When I had that happen I just put it back on station 2 and push the lever. Feel if there is any resistance. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) Check to see how much wobble you have on the shell plate. With fingers on opposite sides of the shell plate see if you can wobble the plate. There should be next to none. Pat Edited August 25, 2012 by Pat Miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It could be a brass problem. Are you shooting range brass? Could be the ones you have a problem with have crimped primer pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJ1911 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Thanks everyone,I think that I was not using consistent pressure when seating. I will work on that when I reload more. Thanks again Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarmyaviator Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 The only thing I can think of is you are not pulling all the way down on the operating handle. for 650, its pushing all the way up. 1050, seating primers are down stroke. You are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes777 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I hate reloading. I get going and want to be done so I run the crap out of my 650. As a result I have tuned and polished the SH/T out of it. Still get high primers. So I pull all mt comp ammo and put it in my ammo boxes, bullet down. I then run my finger over them, pull the high primers. And reseat with my ribs universal hand primer, end result, no high primers at matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinconjoe Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 OK got one question OK maybe two , have you called dillion let them trouble shoot it with you bet , they stop high primers, if some work and some dont has to be an adjustment something not adjusted right , mine was the base plate too loose , but that was on RL550B . the other as Torogi said : Now, on those high primers, did you try and re-seat them? When I had that happen I just put it back on station 2 and push the lever. Feel if there is any resistance. Hope this helps. hey if you hate reloading want to sell your 650 cheap sorry couldn't resist . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes777 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I hate reloading because it is monotonous. I reload so I can afford to shoot. The reason I get high primers is because I want to be done with it so I start pushing the darn thing faster, I mean what is the point of having an 800 round an hour press unless you push it to 800/hr? That's how you get high primers. It takes an extra 5 minutes to check comp ammo for high primers. Ps. Even running the dog snot out of my 650 I am still getting a 18 fps velocity spread, dropping clays, 0 ftf, oal variance is .004 (out of 20 I just measured). Thank you dillon, BE, 1911smith (barf.com), and lee love at unique tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extractor Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I hate reloading. I get going and want to be done so I run the crap out of my 650. As a result I have tuned and polished the SH/T out of it. Still get high primers. So I pull all mt comp ammo and put it in my ammo boxes, bullet down. I then run my finger over them, pull the high primers. And reseat with my ribs universal hand primer, end result, no high primers at matches. I'm to shit scared to seat high primers on completed rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I then run my finger over them, pull the high primers. And reseat - end result, no high primers at matches. Wes, I do the same, but put "high primers" in another box, mark them Hi Primers, and use them for practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJ1911 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 Thanks everyone for the advise. I have found the problem and it is ME. I was not useing enough force at the end of the upstroke but I think I have that worked out now. I loaded more test rds and everything went well so I now have 12rds each loaded with 124fmj PD bullets at 3.6,3.8,4.0 and 4.2gr of v320 at 1.140 oal. I don't care about PF now just looking for a good range load. Thanks again for the help Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You end up learning a "two-step push." Pause, just as you feel the primer contact the primer pocket, and then with one firm push - feel the primer seat against the bottom of the primer pocket. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon9 Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 With the "two-step push" you will get to a point where you can tell if it is a crimped piece of brass and stop in time to remove it, swage/ream the crimp and still use the primer. ....and you will learn what .38 super brass and .380 auto brass feels like in your press compared to 9mm Just remember, never muscle anything, stop immediately and look at each station if you feel you need more force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cohland Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) ..Thanks everyone for the advise. I have found the problem and it is ME. I was not useing enough force at the end of the upstroke but I think I have that worked out now. ... With a new XL650, after about 1,000 rounds I suddenly had high primers as well. I found two solutions: first, I did as you suggested, and just improved my upstroke to firmly seat the primer. The second solution was to tighten the shellplate, as Dillon instructs in the troubleshooting section of the manual. My shellplate was a little loose, and I think the brass-tipped setscrew was where the problem started, because it was a bit loose. I removed and cleaned the shell plate and put just a small thin film of Slide Glide (regular) grease along the path on the bottom of the shellplate where it contacts the ball bearing. I tightened the shellplate to where it would not move, then loosened it just enough to get it to rotate smoothly. Then I tightened down the brass-tipped set screw. The result: no more high primers, and less powder spillage....... until I loaded about another box of ammo, got sloppy with the upstroke, and then had to concentrate on the upstroke again. My conclusion: a nice firm shellplate is helpful, but a firm upstroke is vital. Chris Edited September 7, 2012 by cohland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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