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Where r u seeing these at? I had a friend who went to SHOT show me some pics of them, they look very nice. I believe they had .308 handguards as well. My friend said they were so new APC didn't have pricing yet. Better looking barrel nut then the Lancer, not sure about function ;-)

Why does it always seem the models that action shooters get interested in are always the last released? I guess we're the red-headed stepchild. I find it ironic DPMS touts a new slim and trim .308 variant and then releases all the heavier models first gotta love it

Looks like the Hunter model is last to production, I haven't been able to find one anywhere.

Nemo, Thank You!!! Exactly what I was looking for, pics are beyond perfect! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I was wondering the same thing about a .45 CORE, I keep having hopes and dreams of a Heavy Metal Open 3 Gun division, probably never happen........ up to a 50 round drum on a .308 plus an open shotgun, I think it would be a blast. Another thing I wish S&W would offer is a Compact 9mm CORE model, get an extended threaded barrel, put a comp on it and/or Magnaport it and you'd have the perfect carry gun, almost as good as the now defunct Modified gun

I just picked up a M&P .45 Full Size w Threaded Barrel Kit to use for Heavy Metal Division in 3 Gun. Apex FSS went into it last night as did different sights. As of now my only gripe is how much force it takes to seat a fully loaded stock magazine. I know the TF Edwards 451 will help alleviate the issue but since I can't find any pics of the extension I am wondering if it will work well with the SSS Stainless Steel Magwell(wish I could find a brass one)? What I mean by work well is does it extend beyond the magwell to make seating easier instead of having to push slightly inside the opening to seat the mag. I can always buy the longer mag extension but I don't like the balance of them w 10 rounds as much as the shorter mags. Thank you, pics and PMs are welcome.

On the other hand, the Seekins feels a little too wide to me, but that gives you a nice broad base to rest on props. I prefer the NSR over the Seekins. If it helps give you a comparison as most feel is going to be hand size dependent, I wear a medium glove in nitrile/latex/vinyl gloves medical type gloves.

The Carbon Arms handguard is very lightweight but not a super small diameter. It is perfect for me. I just built a 16" with a 15" Noveske NSR for my wife. It is perfect for her, lightweight and she can grip it. Don't put a heavy comp on the end, defeats the whole purpose, the Dynamic Resistance is light and very, very effective. One thing that really made things more comfortable for my wife was one of the more vertical pistol grips like the Bravo Company ones or the Magpul MOE K. Less strain on her wrist.

+1 you'll be saving a lot over the jp and it works great ....and I would go with the Dynamic Resistance/Carbon Arms comp. You know it's gonna work really well with the Nordic/Carbon Arms barrel.

Thank you for all of the replies. I have been researching it quite a bit and was trying to avoid the lengthy custom route. It seems 1:14 was a pretty common .308 offering in the past before the "heavy" bullets became so prevalent.

so with the UBR stock was this just an issue of length for comfort or was running a carbine stock cause malfunctions? When I was first having problems I switched from the UBR to the EFX thinking it may be the problem, it wasn't, the problems persisted and I left the EFX on purely because of the enhanced feel and balance. It was just a bonus it is a lot less $$$. With the UBR I found I never collapsed the stock and figured what was the point of having it on. The nice thing about trying the EFX is it made me willing to experiment with other stocks like the ACS-L for the better cheek weld the EFX and ACS offer. Prior to that I always used UBRs for my builds. Another irrelevant bonus is the EFX looks really, really good with the SD receivers.

I have a wild hair that keeps making me want to find or have made a 1:14 twist barrel for a DPMS style AR-308 rifle. Do you know of anybody who has/makes a good one or will make in a fairly timely manner? FYI. I have no interest in shooting bullets over 147gr in this rifle or further then 500yds, if even that. Thanks in advance.

I actually have 2 of them, fit and finish is impeccable and the tension screw to reduce slop between uppers and lowers makes for a much more solid feel when handling and shooting. One thing to remember is .308 AR style rifles are a totally different beast then the Ar-15 in regards to tuning and simply getting to run right. IMO the extractor in AR-308 rifles is the weak link. One of mine has a UBR and I'll probably remove it and put another A1 length stock on it. On Ar-308 rifles most of the extra length in the receiver(compared to a .223) is to the back, not the front. If I ran the UBR for the same length of pull I run my .223 it puts my nose to charging handle more like lip to charging handle. I already switched one to an EFX A1 and find it much more comfortable. The one I shoot the most evolved from a UBR, JP LMOS and SCS with Syrac gas block to the aforementioned A1 with Young MFG carrier and standard buffer and spring with a 17.5" barrel. I currently have an AR Gold trigger in it as I could get a lighter trigger pull with reliable ignition then the JP(love the JP in one of my .223s). Titan comp and Carbon Arms 15" handguard, Leupold Prismatic on top. I'm planning on revisiting the JP LMOS and SCS in the 16.75" barreled, iron sighted one as soon as I get another Hiperfire trigger(sidetracked into my wife's build) to replace the RR Match in it right now and the upcoming Dynamic Resistance .308 comp to replace the Titan. I would highly suggest the Rainier Arms Raptor charging handle especially for .308s. As for pistols.... If you shoot a Glock well, go with it. If you don't, I am running a CZ-97 and liking it although I am going to play with an M&P .45 with the Apex glock like trigger next, purely because of the safety mechanism which will make abandonment a touch easier Keep us posted on your build, it sounds pretty neat.

Congratulations, sounds like a perfect rifle for the game. Let us know how it shoots.

HAHA! He actually doesn't shoot and doesn't see the point in spending the money on guns. He will spend money on golf clubs, but I would rather make holes on targets instead of in the grass!! I had never touched a gun a few years ago. I work in a busy ER and I see crime first hand and have been confronted with angry punks before in the ER, so I wanted to learn to protect myself when I'm outside of work without my security having my back. I had a friend teach me to shoot and I wasn't half bad. I got bored just standing still shooting, so he got me into USPSA and I was hooked. I've bought 3 guns and had to ask for forgiveness after each one, lol. Better to ask for forgiveness than permission, right? Even better, keep it up

Just to add to the confusion..... My wife and I just built a rifle for her, for comparison's sake she is 5'3" and about 105lbs. She doesn't have a lot of upper body strength and my 17" barrel build with a SJC Titan comp, Magpul UBR stock, Carbon Arms carbon fiber handguard and Aimpoint Comp M3 was still too front heavy for her to use comfortably. My wife hated shooting it with the Titan comp on it, it is a very good comp but by the end of range time she felt beat up by the sheer concussion of it. Plus the 5oz of weight furthest away from her didn't help. We switched it to the new Carbon Arms comp and it made a huge difference on shooting enjoyability and perceived handling weight. As light as the carbon fiber handguard is, the diameter of it was too much for my wife to feel like she actually had control, she wanted something she could actually grip with her small hands. If you have smaller hands and went with a JP non-billet rifle the handguard would be the only thing I would suggest changing, if weight is an issue you may want to consider a 16" barrel also. Carbon Arms makes some very maneuverable and light weight 16" uppers and rifles also, once again, the diameter of the handguard may not give you the control or grip if you have smaller hands. They are good people and would probably be willing to work with you. We ended up going with a SAOD Lothar Walther 16" .223 Wylde chambered polygonal rifled barrel for more velocity out of a shorter barrel(i get 3080fps out of a fairly light load in my 17" poly). She went with the Noveske 15" NSR handguard which gives her amazing grip and is super light. A Magpul ACS-L stock keeps a touch of weight towards the back and has a comfortable cheek weld for her. Of course she picked a Carbon Arms comp, although a Fortis Red, if you don't mind a little more blast, runs about the same weight with just a touch more length. I wouldn't say it's better though. A Mikulec comp would be a great choice for size and money. We also went with a Hiperfire trigger so she can adjust pull weight as she gets more comfortable. I chose a JP lightened bolt carrier and SLR adjustable gas block to enable tuning of the rifle for her. The SLR is one of the few clamp on style gas blocks that will fit under the NSR. Two other things that made a big difference in feel for her were the Noveske 60 degree ambi safety and a more vertical pistol grip like the BCM MOD 0. The MOD 0 felt more natural and less cramped allowing her to control everything better. Although she is gonna make me smooth and contour the safety levers for her comfort she doesn't like the sharper texture. As nobody has really touched on optics or the sheer amount of weight involved with them it makes sense to build a lighter rifle from the ground up. My wife will probably shoot TAC Limited as she does well with the Aimpoint out to 300 yards give or take and doesn't have any interest in the extra pound of weight.....yet She likes a Leupold Prismatic I have laying around even better but only out to about 200yds. I literally laughed out loud when you wrote "and I'd like for my husband to not kill me--" He should have known having more then one shooter in the family gets expensive really fast Wait until you tell him you're gonna shoot TAC Optics and must have a Swavorski 1-6. Best of Luck

Try the .308 Rainier Raptor on your next one, you'll like it even more then the BCM, smoother with a more linear pull.

I have the Carbon Arms, get the heat shield with it and you are good to go. Never to hot from running a stage. Only from leaving it exposed to the Arizona summer sun for too long. I have a JP on an Ar-15 and love it but I still bought 3 of the Carbon Arms handguards. One in .223 and 2 in .308.

I went from Salomon Speedcross to Inov 8 Mudclaws and am now wearing Inov 8 Bare-Grip 200. It's as close to my Five-Fingers as I can get with an agressive, grippy, flexible tread. I keep hoping the new topo athletic shoe company(from the designer of five-fingers) will do an agressive tread model as it could be the perfect competition shoe. topoathletic Especially if they use the Boa closure system, no lace loops hanging out to get snagged, one of the things I really liked the Salomons for.

I'm running and EFX-A1 stock right now. Go check out the lancer rifles ,they are using them. I love it. Solid, not too heavy ( i removed the floor plate ) , and has a great cheek weld, which is what i feel that the ace skeleton stocks lackI like the cheek weld, the balance, and the look of the MAGS fixed over any other option I tried. I was excited to see the magpul fixed come out, but I was very disappointed when I got my face on one. Since I'm a but of an ogre, I've added a 1" spacer to the A1 length EFX. The only way I'd choose a collapsible would be if someone donated a UBR to my cause. Heck, I like my EFX-A1 better then my UBRs and ACS-L. Probably what I will use for most of my builds ffrom now on.

I did a "trigger job" on my Nova. Take good pics of the trigger group so you know where and what order all the parts go in. I simply stoned all contact and pivot areas, removed any unwanted flats and/or high spots and then highly polished the same areas. I made it a point to remove as little material as possible and just reduce friction. This dropped my trigger pull by about 1.5-2lbs. YMMV and any work you do is at your own risk....... This made it easy enough to switch to from my Salient M2 trigger when needed. I am no longer conscious of the trigger pull when shooting my Nova. If you aren't comfortable doing this yourself Trapr is the go-to guy for Super/Nova work.

LOL, If I'd had a SBEII I wouldn't have sold my M2 for a Versamax. I'd have your SBEII worked over and keep it.

I know LW was backed up long before this hoarding craze even started. It took me 6 months on the average to get a custom barrel from LW 3 times in the last 3 years. Worth every minute and penny!!! I can't even imagine what they are going through right now. I'm sure I will order one anyways. The other 3 barrels were a 17, 18 and 19" poly AR-15 barrel. Now I want a poly .308 that isn't a Black Hole. Why, just because.... My Black Hole Weaponry/Rainier is great.

Very cool, looks good!!!

This is a great thread, let's keep it going. Funny how the Ar-.308 is such a different beast then the Ar-15. All the different avenues to end up with something reliable, maybe some consistencies will start to show over time with this thread. As soon as I load some more ammo I will deconstruct some of the changes I have made to see what the bare minimum is for this rifle. Of course, yours may be different.