ddpenn Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I have been having problems with mags dropping free and this weekend I got frustrated and took off the grips and shot without them. I actually like the feel of the gun without grips. My question is whether you need grips to be uspsa production legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 if you removed the grips and they started dropping free, check that your grip screws or grips aren't touching your mags somehow. Do they just come partially out? you may also have the first round walking out on you at the top of the mag if it's hanging there. Do you have a drop-free mag brake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) I would say not legal in Production. Why? APPENDIX D4 — Production Division 22 Specifically prohibited modifications and features Please note that the absence of an item in the list of prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division 22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile — Unless specifically authorized above, modifications are prohibited — UNLESS a modification is SPECIFICALLY authorized in the rules or SPECIFICALLY authorized in an official, published NROI interpretation, it is considered a PROHIBITED MODIFICATION. Edited August 13, 2012 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpenn Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 Thanks. I need to get a rule book. Screws arent touching, and I have a drop free mag brake. The mags drop about an inch then jams. Not related to the rounds walking since it happens even with empty mags. What I think is the problem is that the spring maybe pushes the mag break too far to the left of the pistol so when you hit the button the nub that locks into the mag clears, but the release is causing too much friction. I need about 2-3 hours sitting at the bench to experiment with this. Also could be related to the mag release spring need to check that out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 (edited) I'm a little confused by 21.4 and 22.2. 21.4 seems to say that aftermarket grip panels can be used. 21.4 Grips For semi-automatic Production guns, grip tape, grip sleeves, checkering, stippling or other texture may only be applied in the areas shown in appendix E4. Glue and grit is considered the same as stippling. Replacement grip panels are allowed provided they do not extend below the butt of the gun to form a make-shift magwell. Revolver grips may be replaced with OEM or aftermarket grips of any shape, profile and surface texture. Special Notes/Clarifications: See 22.2, below, for specifics with regard to modifications on revolver grips. Edited August 13, 2012 by sperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 remove the slide and look into the magwell and make sure the release button is flush on the inside. also look to see where your magazines are wearing on its finish perhaps. when you pull it out, does it come out with almost no friction or are they held in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yagi Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 IMHO it would be illegal... per 22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsydlooknin75 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 IMHO it would be illegal... per 22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile... But don't the slim aluminum grips change the factory profile? Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 the slim aluminum grips are a factory part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsydlooknin75 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 the slim aluminum grips are a factory part. You are so smart Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 omg i kno rite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 But 21.4 doesn't say anything about them being OEM grip panels. Only that replacement grip panels cannot extend below the frame to create a magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpenn Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 remove the slide and look into the magwell and make sure the release button is flush on the inside. also look to see where your magazines are wearing on its finish perhaps. when you pull it out, does it come out with almost no friction or are they held in there? They get jammed in pretty good when they fail drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 dang. both loaded and unloaded? what magazines are you using? does it come out easier if you repeatedly push the mag button? if it's a clearance issue you may need to file the backside of the button (the side you push with your thumb, not the mag retaining tab) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I've had trouble in matches with the OEM 10 rounders catching. This never happens during dryfire practice. I have assumed the humidity at matches is the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I thinking you may have stumbled upon a sure fire way to make weight for IDPA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpenn Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 dang. both loaded and unloaded? what magazines are you using? does it come out easier if you repeatedly push the mag button? if it's a clearance issue you may need to file the backside of the button (the side you push with your thumb, not the mag retaining tab) I think you are right about filing down the underside of the button. The problem happens with 10 and 15 round factory mags both. The 19's always seem to eject right, but I live in New Jersey so I cant use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 If you file it, make sure you work slowly and measure with calipers how much you took off. Sometimes all it takes is the smallest amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbird1976 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I found a spot on my grips the other day where the mag was rubbing when the grips were screwed down really tight. I took a little material off the rear inside portion of the grip. The mags went back to dropping free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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