SRT Driver Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 According to the USPSA website, a new classifier book is on the way!! The current classifiers are usable until 12/31/04 and the new ones should not be used until V3.0 of EZScore is ready. NO more X-MAS...maybe!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 It would be cool if they would have the or some of the new classifiers set up at the Nat's and let all the GM's or Top 16 shoot them at the shoot off's and then figure a HHF off the best scores. I would think you could get the HHF quicker doing it like that than waiting for them to filter in over several months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Great idea john. can't wait. kind of like new candy... but i haven't shot hardly any of the current classifiers yet LoL damn i hope i can make GM before they do something like raise the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Cool. If they do it right, it will probably become a slight bit easier to get a GM card in Open.. if you can truly shoot like a GM, and a slight bit harder in Production, L10 and Limited. The big help would be consistency. It would no longer require you to shoot the "right" classifiers. Of course this requires new HHF's for each and every one. Somebody please tell me Sedro's listening.. To start out, they could just hand the stage diagrams to the top 20 or so shooters and ask them what they could shoot it in. I bet their paper answers wouldn't be off by more than a tenth or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 A slight bit harder in Production??!?! Surely you jest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 A slight bit harder in Production??!?! Surely you jest! Weeeell.. assuming you can shoot about M-class well with your choice of blaster, AND have all the information on classifier HHF's, score distributions AND can have whatever classifiers you want set up, it currently is 'easiest' (defined as lowest set of hit-factors needed to 95% on 6 carefully-chosen classifiers) to do so in PD. I'm pretty sure MM didn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 they will probably keep a lot of the old classifiers and add a few new ones. lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 Matt, Everybody knows that making GM in Production is easy. Minor scoring, no mag well, gear behind the hip bone, etc......I mean come on! It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 A slight bit harder in Production??!?! Surely you jest! Matt, I think that shred is calling you a wannabe GM. Are you going to take that???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 ...the race is not to the swift, nor is the battle to the strong...Ecc9:11 But that is the way to bet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Has anybody looked at the new classifiers yet? Wow, 03-13 has swingers! I wonder how the new HHF's will be established and how long it will take. Some interesting new stages though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 CM 03-13 will need a bit more detail to ensure it is properly set up. Do we attach two targets to one swinger? do we have to build a special swinger? Do we put two swingers in line? How do we know that the swinger I use at my club isn't very slow or very fast compared to the one you use? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 A slight bit harder in Production??!?! Surely you jest! Matt, I think that shred is calling you a wannabe GM. Are you going to take that???? Roy knows better!! Turtle has it right, there is no way at all that 95% of Limited HHF's is fair with minor, 10rds, no magwell, gear behind centerline, etc... Just look at a major match that attracts a lot of talent. Put the Production winners HF's into Limited and see where he comes out. It sure ain't 95%, its more like 85-90%. I've always thought that was a good indicator that the 95% HHF of Limited was pretty unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 If the HHFs for Production are adjusted, what will that mean to those that already have a classifcation? Would their percentages automatically change? And if the HHF changes, what do you do with the shooters that have already made GM? Make them GGMs or SGMs? Those people have acheived what you all say can't easily be done. They acheived 95% plus of Limited HHF with a Production Gun and gear. I would like to see perhaps a classifation system that utilizes State Championships, Area Matches and the Nationals to get a "Real" Classification. The average of say 3 finishes at this level would be substituted for your "Book Classifer Percentage" THis way you would have a Real Match Performance" to go by, not a handfull of short no or little movement stages that you can set up and practice. Not that Grandbagging is a good or even prevelent thing. But if a local match includes only the classifier stage for your classification, it isn't to difficult to realize that some people are able to shoot them just well enough to win their division or class, but not to move up in class. By using only the results of major matches, you would almost completely eliminate sandbagging, no one wants to lose a match to maintain a class, but losing a stage at a local match, not the same deterent effect. Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 If the HHFs for Production are adjusted, what will that mean to those that already have a classifcation? Would their percentages automatically change? And if the HHF changes, what do you do with the shooters that have already made GM? Leave 'em alone. It's about all you can do. Scores shot are scores shot. New scores get measured off a different baseline. They acheived 95% plus of Limited HHF with a Production Gun and gear. If I got it right, Matt's saying that overall Prod can't hang at 95% of Ltd. No arguments there. Just that on the 'extra-easy' classifiers, they're well, extra easier for PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Production is easy...if you shoot Alphas (like you ought to be doing anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hmmm, if the 5% cushion from Limited makes Production easy, then the 10% "handicap" from Limited should enable any decent revolver shooter to make GM by shooting classifiers that don't have a reload. Ought to be a snap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 i received our clubs new classifier book yesterday. looks like they have deleted a lot of old classifiers. yes Xms is gone!! here's what i found deleted: cm99-1 cm99-3 cm99-4 cm99-15 cm99-17 cm99-18 cm99-25&26 already deleted cm99-29 cm99-30 cm99-31 cm99-32 cm99-35 cm99-37 cm99-38 cm99-44 cm99-49 some were really good classifiers, some weren't. lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRNinTX Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Anybody but me think that the new max 2 hits/NS rule may give some faulty classifications with the new classifiers? It won't matter in the A-GM classes, but some of the lower classes may have a false sense of accomplishment if they shoot very many of the new classifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Now Tim, We don't want to upset anyone by dinging them more than 2 NS hits do we? Some people on this forum think that that would send them home to mommy with tears in their eyes. Opps sorry, wrong reason. We only score two hits ona scored target so what reason is there to score more than two hits on a NS? Humor mode now swithed off, please note that this is directional humor and not directed at you. In truth I agree 100%, A Mike is a Mike, it conceivable hit nothing and no one, but a hit on a NS is a Hit and should be scored. There is a long TFH regarding parity in scoring NS and Shoot targets, I don't buy into that argument. There are going to be a lot of people that will score not as bad as they would have with some of the new Classifers because of this rule. Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 They acheived 95% plus of Limited HHF with a Production Gun and gear. If I got it right, Matt's saying that overall Prod can't hang at 95% of Ltd. No arguments there. Just that on the 'extra-easy' classifiers, they're well, extra easier for PD. You got that right. If it is a classifier like Bang & Clang, that one is super easy with Production gear, with the minor ammo and no recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I got the new classifier book yesterday and overall I'm really pleased with it. Seems to be a larger number that can be setup fairly easily with 1 person. I've never setup, or shot any of the prop-heavy or shooting box-laden classifiers from the old book at my match or other local matches, so it's good to see stages that will actually be seen at a match. I haven't checked yet, but I'm hoping the old "simple setup" classifiers are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Whoa, they got rid of the King of Grandbagging Classifiers, 99-32, Indoor Rapid Fire Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Yeah, but there is a new fixed time standard. If folks make the 4.5 second limit on each string...well, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Whoa, they got rid of the King of Grandbagging Classifiers, 99-32, Indoor Rapid Fire Standards. I think my club just might get that in again this year..... AAMOF, in a burst of nostalgia, we're gonna see just how many of these we can shoot just one more time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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