Haraise Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Getting a custom build done, anyone have experience in both? I don't like how nitrocarbonization looks dry, and it feels a little rough, and I really like how Black-T is self lubricating, but it wears way more. The usage is a can't fail carry gun, and I think that puts black t out front, but I'm curious what everyone here thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlepig Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I have a 1911 built in 1992 that was done in Black-T. Very tough stuff. The handgun has been well used and carried a ton in all conditions. In my experience, the finish is exactly what they claimed. It shows wear, but it has never rusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pretty sure I'm going with Black T. It might wear and be less pretty, but it's going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Black T, at the end of the day, is paint. Its quality will depend on the skill of the person who applies it. Nitrocarburizing is a heat-treating process--a chemical process--and if done properly, far more durable. Paint has excellent anti-rust properties but doesn't wear very well. The best applied-finishes are applied over parkerizing for that reason. Edited February 25, 2012 by twodownzero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 That's a bit of a silly thing to say. Black-T isn't paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 http://www.black-t.com/technicalinfo.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) That's a bit of a silly thing to say. Black-T isn't paint. You can use fancy phrases like "applied finish" and/or compare its ingredients to what we usually call "paint." At the end of the day, it's an oven-cured, fancy, paint. That doesn't mean they're inferior, and in fact, paint is what keeps nearly all the steel we use elsewhere in our lives from rusting. Paint works well. Chemical processes are not paint and don't share the properties of a finish that is applied like paint. Edited February 25, 2012 by twodownzero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 can any paint do this: its a polymer that self lubricates polymer=(made of molecules) self-lubricates=(wears off and slides around and feels slippery) Holy Moses, thats gotta be some space shuttle stuff. probably the black paint on its nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Did you actually do any research on what the black t process is before going on about how it's paint, or do you consider understanding what you're talking about below you? "It is a multi-step process that employs a series of chemically bonding production steps..." Not paint. That's the first sentence of the first page of black-t.com. Jeez. Black-T is a finish that protects and lubricates after the black has been completely worn away. Chemical bonding. Edited February 25, 2012 by Haraise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunfixer Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) I am not affiliated but have tried them all and my preference is of these products for carry applications...: The Good Stuff And.. I also still really like DLC as well.. BTW - As far as I'm concerned... Applied & baked on or allowed to cure = Paint.. Edited February 25, 2012 by gunfixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctay Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 From what I hear DLC is awesome. DLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Yeah, I've heard a lot of good about DLC. I've also heard it flakes and wears when applied to small parts. I do know that it doesn't self lubricate, though. This isn't about the gun being pretty. It's about it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunfixer Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 DLC and Ionbond are the same product; VERY very good stuff, but not a self-lubing finish like NP-3 or our favorite singing bird stuff.. 'Perfect example of the DLC is the all black finish on the Kahr, K-40 I have posted on the classifieds.. The stuff is tough as nails, and I have never heard of this finish flaking or anything of the sort.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Matt Cheely said he recommended Nitrocarb instead of DLC because of flaking worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 The plain truth is all finishes will show wear if they weapon is used. What it boils down to is how do you want your gun to look and what finish will accomplish this with the minimal amount of wear that will show over time. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hello: I like Hard Chrome--it is pretty and easy to clean Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLM Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'll field that... grandpa guns. Sorry, couldn't resist H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Matt Cheely said he recommended Nitrocarb instead of DLC because of flaking worries. The only way for it to flake is if is was not cleaned properly prior to coating, it is applied to a poor quality metal or there was a massive coating failure. Nitro is inexpensive and that appeals to a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Matt Cheely said he recommended Nitrocarb instead of DLC because of flaking worries. The only way for it to flake is if is was not cleaned properly prior to coating, it is applied to a poor quality metal or there was a massive coating failure. Nitro is inexpensive and that appeals to a lot of people. Possibly why many of the times I've seen DLC flake is in the breechface area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 IonBond's DLC is only 4 microns, so actual "flakes" are very rare. I say rare in that we've prepped parts for coating about every day for the last 4 years and only seen it happen a few times. There are other DLC coatings that are done differently and at higher temperatures, and they have different coating properties also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 So ionbond should have no issue if it's on a brand new gun, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haraise Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'll field that... grandpa guns. Sorry, couldn't resist H. Yep, grandpa guns! I'm really liking the look of polished Ionbond... Having such a hard time deciding on finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So ionbond should have no issue if it's on a brand new gun, yeah? New gun or decent quality metal of any age gun. The quality of the substrate has more to do than the age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglifter Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I have a revolver coated in Black-T, which I've been very happy with - it shows wear, but no signs of corrosion - it neither looks nor feels like the painted guns I have. TMK, I have no experience with ion bond, but the PVD that S&W puts on its revolver cylinders didn't do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEAN Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 ... but the PVD that S&W puts on its revolver cylinders didn't do well. I agree. Poor lifespan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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