ErikW Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Yesterday I found myself holding the gun unusually high (eye level) while moving between positions of my short field course. And it felt right... I'd come around a corner, knowing where the target would be, with the gun point at it, and there was no sensation of bring the gun up to acquire the sights. It was just there pointing at the target and the sensation was more of me coming in to position and settling behind the stopped gun and acquiring the sights. Does anybody else move with this technique? I've got to watch my Super Squad DVD again. I remember being surprised by the way Saul Kirsch runs with his gun way down by his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 It's one way to skin a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Frank Garcia calls it "the pocket" and wants the gun there all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Seems to me that Eric's suggestion that it's more than one way to skin a cat is kinda true. The idea is to get to shooting as quickly as possible, right? Along short distances having the gun there makes sense as there'll be less overall movement of the gun into and out of the shooting position, but along longer distances the additional momentum/speed from having a little more motion in your arms while running might be a good thing. The key thing in the latter case is to get that gun up into the "pocket" as quickly as possible when you're decelerating into the next position. Don't just flop your arms around and then realize that the reason you're there is the shooting, know to get your ass set up as fast as possible. I dunno, but I think you've found a "trick of the day." If it works, use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted June 11, 2004 Author Share Posted June 11, 2004 I was doing it over short distances, just a few steps. I'm going to have to try Saul Kirsch's hands-at-sides method for the long sprints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonub Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 eric grauffel always keeps it high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Eric G. always keep the gun at eye level, or at least at shoulder level. So do I, unless there are big long runs, then I handle it at chest level. On short runs, I tend to point my gun to where I want to go when I can (safety angles , guys !) otherwise, always pointed to the backstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 For me it is just as Julien said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 The Burner (from his tapes) brings the gun back to the "high ready position" every time he moves. Then, coming into each position, he presents the gun to the target exactly the same way every time. He defines the "high ready" as having the gun close to the chest, at about sternum level, muzzle slightly up. On longer runs, he breaks the grip. Whatever works. TGO is the one to watch on the Nationals DVD...he is shooting sooner that the others as he comes into position. Eric and Todd don't have hardly any time lost either, but TGO seems to always be shooting sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 Ahh..Flex beat me to it. As soon as I started to read this thread I started to think about the "Burner Series." We actually shot a stage at our Thursday night league last night that had 4 different shooting boxes spaced fairly close together. As I RO'd, I watched the better shooters, and almost all of them kept the gun at eye level. I have been trying to do this as much as possible, and it seems to be helping, I won the stage last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Burwell Posted June 11, 2004 Share Posted June 11, 2004 I think the key is having the gun at eye level as you are entering the shooting box. Short distance you are not going to have a chance to lower it over longer distances do what you need to get it all moving then get the gun into position before you are stopped in the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Technically, I don't have anything to add. It's cool though when you discover for yourself that in doing less you found more. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenv Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I think I've been using the high ready position for most of my time shooting the last few years. I find it's hard to run this way but easy to move and shoot. I tend to hold the gun high and bring it in to my body when on the move in between groups of targets. It looks funny, but it's pretty effective as a time saver. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted June 17, 2004 Share Posted June 17, 2004 I always followed the Burner tapes. High for 1- 4 steps. Run like a sprinter. without breaking 180, if longer. Do you notice that Saul shoot faster doubles than most GM's Might be his secret or problem? It was hard to analyze the 2003 Open Nats CD because it was an accuracy biased match. At least as far as I could tell. I didn't shoot it. It is a version of economy of motion that seems to keep coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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